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Telling Stories with Professor Jamie Sisley
This week on Media in the Mix, Emmy Award-winning filmmaker Jamie Sisley joins us for an inspiring conversation about storytelling, impact, and navigating the film industry. Jamie discusses his latest narrative feature, Stay Awake—a deeply personal film exploring addiction and family—which premiered at the 2022 Berlin Film Festival and stars Chrissy Metz, Wyatt Oleff, and Fin Argus. He also reflects on his Emmy-nominated documentary Farewell Ferris Wheel, his journey from music management to filmmaking, and how his work has been supported by institutions like Sundance, Tribeca, and the Smithsonian.
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00;00;00;02 - 00;00;20;10 Speaker 1 The old adage, I think I don't remember who said it. I think was person doesn't matter. I said that, you know, films are made three times, you know, and the writing and the production and the post. Yeah. And I really see that it evolves. I had a good filmmaking friend of mine once told me that if you can even get 70% of your vision into your film, that's a huge achievement because you never get a hundred. 00;00;20;25 - 00;00;44;02 Speaker 2 Welcome to Media The Mix, the only podcast produced and hosted by the School of Communication at Ҵý. Join us as we create a safe space to explore topics and communication at the intersection of social justice, tech innovation and pop culture. Welcome back to meeting the mics. I'm your host, Grace Ibrahim. And today we have a very special guest, Jamie Sisley. 00;00;44;02 - 00;00;45;22 Speaker 2 Welcome to the podcast. 00;00;45;22 - 00;00;48;04 Speaker 1 Hi. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. 00;00;48;04 - 00;01;05;11 Speaker 2 So excited to finally sit down and talk to you. I know SOC has heard a lot about you, your projects and things going on, so I can't wait to deep dive today, but I'm just going to throw it to you real quick, just a little intro about yourself, kind of your background and then really what brought you to first the area and then also associate? 00;01;06;05 - 00;01;32;01 Speaker 1 Sure. Well, you're probably going to have to edit this down, apologize in advance. I'll try to be, you know, sort of concise. I grew up in the area. That's really where it all started. I grew up sort of central in Northern Virginia. So so I know this area very well. I went to UVA for undergrad, studied business, which is kind of weird for film, but it served me super well over the years that brought me into music management. 00;01;32;01 - 00;02;04;20 Speaker 1 I managed bands for about six years at out of undergrad, so I worked at a company called Red Light Management. Really lucky that I that I was able to get that job. Yeah. And worked with groups like the Dave MATTHEWS Band or Tim McGraw and Faith Hill and and just had some incredible mentors that really taught me about the business of entertainment, which which has served me really well with film, started to make a documentary while I was there called Farewell Ferris Wheel, and I was super lucky to get a grant for my TVs, which is a really good grant organization. 00;02;04;20 - 00;02;25;26 Speaker 1 And that was enough for me to think maybe I should go to film school. So I went to Columbia, well, studied screenwriting in directing, made a short film that short called Stay Awake, ended up doing well enough where that sort of, you know, got got enough interest where I could I could focus on a feature version of that. 00;02;25;27 - 00;02;47;05 Speaker 1 I did that. So I may very well first will stay awake. And then during COVID, when I was living out in Los Angeles, I decided to come back here for for a myriad of reasons. You know, this being the this being the big opportunity, I was really excited to get this this this opportunity to teach. It's always been something I've wanted to do. 00;02;47;19 - 00;03;06;29 Speaker 1 It's a chance for me to come back home, being here, my family and know my friends. And I've always felt like this. This community, the DC Northern Virginia area is really creative, but sometimes I don't feel like it gets that sort of notoriety. So I'm glad to be back here and in any small way I can sort of help bolster that sort of reputation. 00;03;07;08 - 00;03;17;26 Speaker 2 That's awesome. I actually want to ask a little bit about studying business and how did that translate into kind of the film space and what do you feel like you took from that that helped you? 00;03;18;06 - 00;03;45;01 Speaker 1 Yeah, a great question. I realized undergrad that when I got out I really needed to work. I was in a place where I definitely needed to have a paycheck and, and so business seemed sort of like my back end. Yeah, like the creative arts were sort of something that I was really interested in and I gravitated towards. But I had no idea how to put together a budget or how to, you know, calculate the weighted average capital of a company or in that crazy stuff. 00;03;45;18 - 00;04;10;06 Speaker 1 I think what it really helped with, it gave me confidence. It allowed me to be a good public speaker. Yeah, it gave me ability to understand budgets, understand money, and in how business and creative I think a lot of people don't like talking about them both or they're scared of talking about the business of entertainment. I think business school taught me that it's actually really helpful to to talk about them in conjunction with each other. 00;04;10;06 - 00;04;27;06 Speaker 1 And the more you know about the business side of entertainment, the more empowered you are as a filmmaker. You know, you know, if you need to cut budget when you're in the middle of production, you know how to read those things and you know what to cross off. So it actually gives you more creative control to have that ability. 00;04;27;13 - 00;04;46;26 Speaker 1 And I also think your creative collaborators trust you more. They allow you to be a part of that, which has served me well as well. So yeah, I know. And you can write grants is the other thing I think. Yeah, I don't think I would have probably gotten the grants I got initially had it not been for my ability to write business plans, which I hated doing in school. 00;04;46;26 - 00;04;48;16 Speaker 1 But, but it ended up really helping me out. 00;04;48;17 - 00;04;58;07 Speaker 2 Yeah. I feel like a lot of people avoid numbers in film. They're like, I don't want to talk about that. I'll leave that to that, you know, department or whatever. But you're right. It's like when you know that knowledge, you can get ahead of it yourself. So yeah, I hate math. 00;04;58;12 - 00;05;17;26 Speaker 1 I'm not a fan of math, but I'm really glad that I forced myself to learn because. Because now I feel like there have been so many times grace where I've been in pitches or I've spoken with producers and I can kind of see when someone's not being upfront with me or our team. And I attribute all of that to two of my my business background. 00;05;17;28 - 00;05;29;28 Speaker 2 That's awesome. Yeah. And how is managing music bands like that's those are a lot of like beginnings you threw out. That's so fun. It was, I'm sure. Also, there's a, a wide variety of emotion that you probably went, Oh yeah, that. 00;05;30;03 - 00;05;49;03 Speaker 1 It was amazing. I mean, I really the people that I worked with most closely were the other managers. And in that that was to this day, they're my very best mentors. They just really taught me how to how to work with artists and again, how the business side of of entertainment works, because there's a lot of overlap between film and music. 00;05;49;07 - 00;05;51;02 Speaker 2 Oh yeah. Okay. Can you dive into that a little bit? 00;05;51;15 - 00;05;59;04 Speaker 1 Sure. First off, a lot of the companies are the same from it from a rep standpoint, right? So CAA, William Morris, UTA. 00;05;59;26 - 00;06;01;11 Speaker 2 It's all talent, I guess. Yeah. 00;06;01;11 - 00;06;23;13 Speaker 1 Yeah. And you know, those big agencies sort of crossover into both. They kind of do different things in both industries, but having kind of come up in music, I was sort of aware at least of the landscape that was helpful. How to talk with investors, how to, how to pitch, yeah, to anything, what else, and then how to read budgets really. 00;06;23;13 - 00;06;42;08 Speaker 1 Those are the big ones. I and just to know how to not be afraid of, of the business side. I encounter this a lot here at AEW where you know I think students come in really excited about the creative but they don't really want to talk about fundraising until I have to write. I do feel like those are important conversations to have. 00;06;43;22 - 00;06;49;18 Speaker 1 I think they end up making your project stronger if you don't avoid it, but really just, you know, face it head on. 00;06;49;27 - 00;06;58;14 Speaker 2 Did you ever like do you remember the moment you felt like, oh, maybe film is for me? Or This is something I want to pivot to? Like, was there something that happened or. 00;06;58;14 - 00;07;22;02 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a great question. And I yeah, when I was at Red Light as a band manager, I was really enjoying that process. And in the mentors I was with, I was learning a ton, but I was in my kind of mid twenties and I started to realize there were a lot of issues sort of in my life when I was younger that I hadn't really thought about. 00;07;22;05 - 00;07;40;26 Speaker 1 I sort of blocked and didn't want to think about a lot of stuff having to do with my mom, my family addiction. Um, and I realized I kind of had a voice about that. I wanted to say something about it, and I remember initially I thought maybe music would be the thing, and I was just awful. Who was the worst musician you could ever imagine? 00;07;40;26 - 00;07;45;23 Speaker 1 It was just so embarrassing to even have tried to. 00;07;45;23 - 00;07;46;24 Speaker 2 You got to try, though, right? 00;07;47;14 - 00;08;05;10 Speaker 1 Look, I gave it the old college try, but it did not work out. And then a lot of my family have sort of visual art backgrounds. And so I started to explore photography. I started to explore writing. Um, when I was I was living in Charlottesville, Virginia, and I went to Barnes and Noble and just bought a book on directing. 00;08;05;10 - 00;08;10;11 Speaker 1 And that's literally how I started. And it's funny, the guy who wrote that book ended up being one of my professors at Columbia. 00;08;10;11 - 00;08;11;02 Speaker 2 Just way. 00;08;11;06 - 00;08;22;12 Speaker 1 Out of the blue was bizarre, but that's kind of how I came into it. I just I realized I had something I wanted to say about some issues that I cared a lot about, and film seemed like the right medium for me to sort of explore those issues. 00;08;22;12 - 00;08;42;09 Speaker 2 That's amazing. On that, I kind of want to talk about Stay awake, if you don't mind. Sure. So it is such, you know, a personal and like intimate story. And I know you went from short to then turning it into a longer feature. Yeah. Yeah. What was that whole experience like? Just kind of, you know, going through something that I'm sure you have like a personal attachment to. 00;08;42;26 - 00;08;44;29 Speaker 2 Can you just shed light on, on kind of that experience? 00;08;45;06 - 00;09;12;05 Speaker 1 Sure. Well, generally, it was a great process. I mean, it was stressful and scary, but also really fulfilling. You know, a lot of people say write what you know, especially when you start. Yeah. And like I just mentioned, that issue, especially addiction, opioid addiction pills, substance use disorder, those issues were really top of mind. Yeah. For me, it's literally the catalyst for why I wanted to get into film. 00;09;12;14 - 00;09;33;10 Speaker 1 So it just made sense that that was going to be what I was going to start with. The short, far exceeded my expectations. If I can be real with you, I really did it for myself. I didn't think I didn't think anyone would care, just being super honest. And then I got really lucky. I got into Berlin, and Berlin is one of the big, you know, top three film festival in the world. 00;09;33;10 - 00;09;54;06 Speaker 1 And when that happened, I got a lot of notoriety in something that started to happen that was really interesting was after every screening, I would have a small line of people that would come up and want to talk to me about their end or their uncle or their mom with their dad and how they were suffering with a lot of the same issues because they awakes really from the caretakers point of view of addiction. 00;09;54;06 - 00;10;16;21 Speaker 1 And that's what's unique about it, is it's sort of following these to two young boys is they're trying to help their mom with with with with her disease. And I didn't realize how much of a door that opened up for some people to feel more liberated and open to talk about that subject. And so when that happened, it became way more fulfilling. 00;10;17;01 - 00;10;28;05 Speaker 1 I had no idea that it would it would resonate with people that way. Yeah. And it it really sort of propelled me to want to make a feature version because I really had no intention to do it at the time. 00;10;28;09 - 00;10;30;16 Speaker 2 That's awesome. Yeah. And what was directing like? 00;10;30;28 - 00;10;50;10 Speaker 1 I love directing it. It's I think it plays to a lot of the skills that I like trying to hone. Yeah. You know, with the leadership, with trying to bring the best out of people, with collaborating with people as a team. Yeah, I think some people think directing is dictating an artistic voice. In some people it is that. 00;10;50;12 - 00;11;08;29 Speaker 1 Yeah, but for me I really love taking a group of friends that I love trying to be clear with, with what I'd like to it would, I'd like to achieve with the story and then giving those people artistic liberty to sort of bring their skills and talents and strengths to a film. And it's magical when it works. It's absolutely magical. 00;11;09;11 - 00;11;23;12 Speaker 2 And as a director, I know with, you know, content like that, it's just a little more emotional and for some people might be a little more real. As a director, how did you kind of create an environment where those like, vulnerable performances could happen? 00;11;23;14 - 00;11;42;21 Speaker 1 MM Well, I think a lot of that starts with casting. Yeah. You have to find people that that want to go on that ride with you because some people, you know, acting is, is, is a different skill for certain people. But I really tried to find good humans who are also really good actors. I lucked out both on the short and the feature too. 00;11;42;22 - 00;12;00;10 Speaker 1 Some really, really lovely people that I got to collaborate with. And then and then again, it's a collaboration, you know, you you build those characters, you write the characters in a script, but then you, you work on it together and they put flesh on those characters and make them three dimensional. And again, it's a beautiful thing to watch, right? 00;12;00;14 - 00;12;16;20 Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm just curious, did anything kind of change as the production process went on? Like as you brought these characters to life, did you pivot in any different directions? Tons, yeah. Just so like people, you know, don't think directing is like straight an arrow, but that you can you have that room to kind of pivot. 00;12;16;26 - 00;12;34;08 Speaker 1 Yeah, there's this I have so many things that I could mention. You know, there's the old adage I think I don't remember who said it. I think this person doesn't matter. I said that, you know, films are made three times, you know, and the writing and the production in the post. Yeah. And I really see that I it evolves. 00;12;34;08 - 00;12;51;18 Speaker 1 I had a good filmmaking friend of mine once told me that if you can even get 70% of your vision into your film, that's a huge achievement because you never get 100. It's just it, it's an organic thing, right? That sort of is living in all you can do is sort of help try to control it as best you can. 00;12;51;18 - 00;13;17;01 Speaker 1 But that's the way I like to work. I found that being a little loose sometimes can, can, can make for a better work. Yeah. And if your collaborators feel empowered, then they can sort of lynch some of their skills to a project. I think it makes your project better. There are so many times, especially with my younger actors, where they'd come up to me and be like, Ethan wouldn't say that, you know, they'd challenge you. 00;13;17;01 - 00;13;30;19 Speaker 1 Yeah, And that's what you want. That means they're engaged, right? They want they want this performance to work and they're challenging you. They're taking over that character and finding nuance in it in ways that you just can't as a solo writer. 00;13;30;23 - 00;13;35;26 Speaker 2 That's amazing. Yeah. You had some awesome actors in that. Thanks. Just awesome. 00;13;36;03 - 00;13;42;24 Speaker 1 Chris There of Finn Wyatt, Chrissy there in a lot of the supporting cast too. Just really wonderful group of people. 00;13;42;26 - 00;14;04;07 Speaker 2 That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, congratulations on all the success about that. Thanks. And then just kind of talking into the, the festival circuit arena. Yeah, because we do like to talk about things that might help our students out if they're starting out in their careers or is there anything they should know about the festival circuit? And that could be the things that they might not know are very daunting about it or anything. 00;14;04;07 - 00;14;06;22 Speaker 2 You just want to shed light on their. 00;14;06;22 - 00;14;34;17 Speaker 1 Sure. It's a great question. I don't I guess the first thing I would say is not all festivals are created equal. You have to really be careful about just putting together a plan, a festival plan a lot of the times and it's different for features in shorts, there's kind of a different set of rules, but oftentimes you want to sort of shoot for the bigger festivals, the top tiers, you know, Cannes, Berlin, Venice, Sundance, Telluride, Toronto, in some circles, south by in Tribeca, for sure. 00;14;34;27 - 00;14;53;00 Speaker 1 I would count them as top tier. You know, those are good ones to sort of aspire to for a couple of reasons. One, if you get into it, a lot of these other festivals will come to you. Yeah, so you don't have to spend as much money, right? And they're also sort of career makers, right? They're the kind of festivals that if you do get in, it'll sort of move. 00;14;53;00 - 00;15;14;26 Speaker 1 The needle reps will start reaching out, production companies will start reaching out, you'll meet collaborators. I think that's a good approach. Yeah, I sometimes I'm weary of just a blanket applying to tons of festivals, both because some festivals have rules about premieres, so you have to be careful. Like if you premiere at one place. 00;15;14;26 - 00;15;16;12 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. And apply to that. 00;15;16;12 - 00;15;39;24 Speaker 1 Which is why sometimes it's better to start sort of it at the top and then work your way down. But also there's just a lot of festivals that I've found. They're not super helpful, but they still charge you to apply. And so I always advise students to be wary of that. You have to be kind of careful about what you're applying to because a lot of these festivals in screenplay competitions, they just they don't move the needle in the way that some of those other ones do. 00;15;40;13 - 00;15;56;24 Speaker 1 On the flip side, though, there's a lot of really great regional film festivals. You know, if you're a part of a community, I think those are also really helpful to go to, right? So that you, you know, can can be a part of that community and help grow it and um, you know, there's a lot of great ones around D.C., Maryland and Virginia. 00;15;57;07 - 00;16;15;05 Speaker 1 I mean, the Virginia Film Festival has been super helpful to me. Yeah, you know, it's helped grow me on a lot of festivals do that. Like they'll Berlin's been that way for me. I've been really lucky where they've accepted two of my films. So that's another way festivals can help, is that they can kind of help be your your advocate when you're starting out. 00;16;15;14 - 00;16;26;29 Speaker 2 And when you say like create a festival plan, do you think about that as you're creating the feature or the short? Do you have that in the budget? Like, are you are you thinking that far ahead? Absolutely. 00;16;27;11 - 00;16;38;10 Speaker 1 Absolutely. Yeah. I think one of the sometimes when producers are first starting out, they'll forget don't forget to put budget in for for festivals, not only submissions but also for travel. Right. 00;16;38;14 - 00;16;40;03 Speaker 2 Because Right of course. 00;16;40;05 - 00;16;55;19 Speaker 1 Oh Oh yeah. I mean a lot of the times for features they'll, they'll travel you out. The major ones will, but for sure it's a lot less, you know, you usually have to sort of find your own way. So I always advise students to, to, to take in some money for both. 00;16;55;19 - 00;17;10;26 Speaker 2 Yeah that's awesome. That's good advice. And then in terms of kind of the international recognition, so going to Berlin, did you feel like you were able to connect with the audience there too? Like, I know we were talking a little offline about how film is like a universal language. Yeah, So can you just talk about that a little bit? 00;17;11;13 - 00;17;35;18 Speaker 1 Yeah, that's always been really humbling to me that that that film sort of does transcend language in that way. It's Yeah, no it's, it's I was always, always surprised in a, in a really nice way sometimes it doesn't though I remember when we did the premiere at Berlin for the feature, there was a really somber moment and I remember like one person in the audience laughing. 00;17;36;12 - 00;17;47;15 Speaker 1 Like it just didn't it just didn't translate like, I know, not in that audience in comedy especially, right is so cultural and you know, it it just differs from culture to. 00;17;47;15 - 00;17;59;06 Speaker 2 Culture, I guess, is, you know, art is like all of our art is subjective, right? So it's totally the same way. So someone might perceive it differently. Is it true that farewell Ferris wheel was made over a long period of time? 00;17;59;06 - 00;18;01;17 Speaker 1 Yeah, like 90 years. Yeah, it was. 00;18;01;17 - 00;18;02;02 Speaker 2 It was. 00;18;02;03 - 00;18;03;15 Speaker 1 Though. It was six. Yeah. 00;18;03;16 - 00;18;04;26 Speaker 2 Yeah, I felt like 90. 00;18;04;26 - 00;18;26;16 Speaker 1 But my directing partner on that, we co-directed the film and I produced it. We thought it was going to be one summer. Okay, I remember this conversation where at Starbucks here in D.C., we're like, you know, this will just be a summer, will knock it out and and we'll see what happens. Yeah. Six years later, we realized how difficult it is to finance a feature doc, especially a first one. 00;18;26;23 - 00;18;33;19 Speaker 2 I guess, leading up to the next question. How did that experience kind of shape your like, patience and just perspective as a filmmaker? 00;18;34;12 - 00;18;55;18 Speaker 1 You certainly develop patience. Yeah, I mean, I've gotten into cooking recently because I just love this idea that you can make something and then eat it like whatever you make right in front of you. And it's immediate gratification. Yes, I think films are the exact opposite, where you really have to have a long term vision. I think films are made in pre-production and in development. 00;18;56;04 - 00;19;16;06 Speaker 1 Once the train leaves the station in production, there's there's very little you can do to stop it for good or bad. So. Right. And you need money for all of that. So it we learned a ton. I think that feature was it was a film school in and of itself for how to especially how to raise money because it takes a long time, especially for grants. 00;19;16;11 - 00;19;21;29 Speaker 2 Just in terms of that. What got you into that? You know, that type of content and talking about immigration all the time. 00;19;22;12 - 00;19;39;07 Speaker 1 Yeah, great question. I, I was still working as a, as a music manager and I had no idea how to make a documentary. I'd never even touched a camera. Yeah, that sounds braggy, but it's not. I just literally had no idea what I was doing. And so I had a friend of mine, Miguel Martinez, is his name, who I still work with to this day. 00;19;39;27 - 00;19;52;01 Speaker 1 We own a company together, but oh, that's cool. We just started looking at different ideas that we were interested in. In I grew up in the South and carnivals were always something that from a nostalgic standpoint. 00;19;52;14 - 00;19;53;12 Speaker 2 That was going to be my next. 00;19;53;16 - 00;20;15;18 Speaker 1 We're really appealing to me, and I read an article in the Brownsville Herald in Texas about this guy who was trying to bring in a nutshell. Most of the Carnival workers in America come from one single town in Mexico, called him up a coin and they come up every year. They work all the carnivals around the country, and then they come back down and spend time with their families during the off season. 00;20;16;09 - 00;20;35;25 Speaker 1 And we just found that to be fascinating. We thought that was a really interesting premise. And these are legal workers. Nobody was illegally. They're trying to literally work within the confines of the legalities of America and its visa process. And we didn't have to look far for conflict or issues or obstacles, you know, that there was just a lot there. 00;20;36;04 - 00;20;47;21 Speaker 1 And the deeper we went into it, the more we realized there was a lot more to that story than we thought. Much like a lot of documentaries, right? You start with one thing and then if you start doing a deep dive, it's yeah, it's way more complicated. 00;20;47;25 - 00;21;04;29 Speaker 2 That's really cool. This might be like a very black and white question, but after having gone through those two experiences, specifically does documents draw you more? Does narrative draw you more to fiction? Like, where are you drawn to one more than the other now? Or you're just kind of at the space where you're like, I'll do them all. 00;21;05;10 - 00;21;22;23 Speaker 1 I think different stories call for a different formats. That's sort of the way I think about it. I feel very lucky that I've had the opportunity to make a feature doc and a fiction feature film. I try to keep that open depending on what the story is, and then I start to think, you know, would one of those formats lend itself better to that story? 00;21;22;23 - 00;21;23;02 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00;21;23;11 - 00;21;27;29 Speaker 2 You just mentioned you and Miguel own a company together. Can you talk about that a little more? 00;21;27;29 - 00;21;59;09 Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, I, I love when you get to meet somebody and you just get to grow with them. And Meg and I have been together as a filmmaking duo for God since 2009. So it's it's you know, we were both sort of we met and met each other in the area. It's actually a funny story. I was working at Red Light and Music Management, and we got a call one day from this really irate guy who was saying, You guys don't program any Latino artists in in Charlottesville. 00;21;59;13 - 00;22;29;11 Speaker 1 Like, like and he was the host of the I think the only bilingual radio show in central Virginia at the time. And he was he was taking us to task. He was like, why? And I and I said, well, let's have lunch. Let's figure it out. You're right. Yeah. And that's how I met Miguel. And and so, you know, once I thought of this idea for Ferris wheel, I came to him because I knew he made music videos, made that, and then we started this company, and awesome. 00;22;29;28 - 00;22;48;21 Speaker 1 We do a lot of commercial work around DC, a lot of stuff for like events, DC, the National Institute of Health, the Smithsonian, just commercial work. That was honestly a godsend during COVID. It was it was nice to have that sort of sort of in the background. And I did back into it all the time. I really enjoy the work. 00;22;48;21 - 00;23;09;28 Speaker 1 I enjoy working with Meg and I enjoy working with people around DC. But one of the big projects over COVID that that Miguel and I did for Aster, we were presented with this opportunity to sort of events. DC came to us and we're like, we have this wonderful access. Yeah. To the embassy community and specifically to their chefs. 00;23;09;28 - 00;23;27;12 Speaker 1 And they had this thing every year called Embassy Chefs Challenge where you might not know this, but most of the embassies have chefs. They all came together once a year and they would kind of battle it out for the title of Best Embassy Chef. Yeah. And then during COVID, they couldn't do that. Obviously, they couldn't have that actual competition. 00;23;27;24 - 00;23;53;02 Speaker 1 So they came to us and said, Would you guys be interested in doing something in that world? We're not sure what it would be. So we made this little series and at the time it was called Embassy Chefs Challenge. It's an exploration of how food is is is a variation of soft diplomacy for ambassadors and how they can sort of use the culinary arts as a way to sort of make deals and do what's best for their nations. 00;23;53;02 - 00;24;07;05 Speaker 1 Yeah, So, you know, the first season was great. We we ended up winning an Emmy, which was really cool for it. And then we were asked to do another one. So we just finished a new series called The Ambassadors Table. 00;24;07;07 - 00;24;07;21 Speaker 2 Okay. 00;24;07;25 - 00;24;26;12 Speaker 1 And we interviewed the ambassadors and the chefs for Ukraine, for China and for Mexico. And that was really, really fun. And one of the best things for me that that we were able to do is we were able to bring students in and they were able to be a part of the project. Yeah, yeah, it was a blast. 00;24;27;09 - 00;24;28;29 Speaker 1 And so those are going to come out in a couple of months. Yeah. 00;24;29;00 - 00;24;32;19 Speaker 2 Great. Well, good luck with that too. Thank you. I'm sure it'll do great. 00;24;32;20 - 00;24;34;15 Speaker 1 And it's definitely the reason I got into cooking. 00;24;34;16 - 00;24;35;06 Speaker 2 Yeah, I. 00;24;35;06 - 00;24;56;03 Speaker 1 Get to say, I didn't know anything about cooking and then watching these unbelievable chefs do what they do. I remember with our first season, Peru, this cordon bleu trained chef. Wow. Just amazing. Like, it's so inspiring to watch these people do what they do. And yeah, it inspired me to try to, you know, make make something better than than, you know, macaroni and cheese. 00;24;56;03 - 00;25;04;28 Speaker 2 I feel that every time I watch a cooking show, I'm like, I can do this. Yeah, yeah. You try. And you're like, maybe not, but it'll take some time. Like any craft, right? It takes time. 00;25;04;29 - 00;25;11;21 Speaker 1 Ottolenghi is my favorite right now. I bought all his books and really early in the Jerusalem and Simple. There's a really good cook. 00;25;11;22 - 00;25;12;15 Speaker 2 Awesome. 00;25;12;15 - 00;25;13;21 Speaker 1 Yeah, those are my shout outs. 00;25;14;00 - 00;25;18;10 Speaker 2 Perfect. Speaking on on COVID. Did COVID effects stay awake at all? 00;25;18;22 - 00;25;20;06 Speaker 1 Big time. Yeah. Oh yeah. 00;25;20;06 - 00;25;22;27 Speaker 2 We we made three. That's yeah, it's like right here. 00;25;23;04 - 00;25;41;22 Speaker 1 How much time do you have, Grace We we could, we could get into this for a long time. Right. But, but yeah, we were slated to go in 2020. Oh wow. We had all of our actors lined up and then in our case, there were television clauses because we had two actors that were a part of pretty, pretty big TV shows at the time. 00;25;41;22 - 00;25;42;07 Speaker 2 Yes. 00;25;42;15 - 00;26;10;03 Speaker 1 And they just couldn't. Usually if you have an indie feature, TV shows are pretty gracious when they're when they're when they've gone dark, they'll just let their actors. But but technically, in a lot of these contracts, they sort of have to say whether or not an actor can go and be a part of another production. Yeah. And as you might imagine, there were so many health concerns surrounding COVID at the time that, uh, we're not we're not the exception by any means. 00;26;10;03 - 00;26;20;22 Speaker 1 I think most most television productions were a little bit more stringent. Yeah. So we had to wait. We had to wait a whole year. Um, we got so lucky that none of our financing fell out. 00;26;21;20 - 00;26;21;28 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00;26;22;07 - 00;26;40;03 Speaker 1 Now I have a lot of friends who had incredible movies lined up that they just weren't able to make for that reason. The only reason we got our film made was Chrissy Metz. If I can be real, when you're starting a lot of the Times actors, it's really just on a handshake. Yeah, if an actor will participate in your movie, it's not like they signed a contract. 00;26;40;09 - 00;26;58;23 Speaker 1 Yeah. And you're offering them nothing usually, right, for a small indie film. But Chrissy said she would do it. She said, Hey, stick with you know, I'll stick with you. Just wait till I'm done with this show. Yeah. And she was true to her word. I mean, I literally owe that entire film to her. That's. 00;26;58;23 - 00;27;13;10 Speaker 2 Wow. Yeah, that's very special. Very unique. That's amazing. What have you seen kind of in the last few years, change in the industry and what are some of the challenges that you've kind of started to face or have been facing, just anything that kind of open ended? 00;27;13;10 - 00;27;36;07 Speaker 1 Question Yeah, I mean, I think we're all feeling it right. There's there's something happening. There's something amiss. Yeah, that, that that's been going on for a while. I think today distribution is sort of broken. I think that's a pretty accepted sort of thought that that even if you're able to make your movie, it's hard to monetize your movie. 00;27;36;07 - 00;27;44;07 Speaker 1 Right. You know, usually if you made an indie film, you'd go to Sundance or Cannes or Berlin or whatever, and the hope would be that you would sell that. 00;27;44;10 - 00;27;44;20 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00;27;45;04 - 00;28;06;06 Speaker 1 Even back in the day, that was always hard to do. But these days it's become even even more difficult not only to sell it, but to sell it at a at a level where you can recoup your money and maybe even make your investors money. Right. So that's the part that's broken. You know, a lot of these streamers have been really disruptive, sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a more challenging way. 00;28;06;06 - 00;28;27;23 Speaker 1 You know, they've sort of challenged that entire model. But I think right now we're in that state of flux. It kind of reminds me of where music was back in the early aughts where, you know, Napster came and yeah, sort of disrupted the way CDs were sold at the time. I feel like we're seeing something very similar where there was a model that people could rely on to get a, you know, return on their investment. 00;28;27;23 - 00;28;41;09 Speaker 1 And it's just not happening now. The festival system of selling movies is still there. It's just that's I think that's the big challenge everyone's facing, is how do we how do we find a new model or how do we fix that one potentially? 00;28;41;21 - 00;28;45;06 Speaker 2 And how do you feel about this whole I business? 00;28;45;22 - 00;28;48;14 Speaker 1 I'm feeling okay about it. Yeah, If I can be honest with you. 00;28;48;14 - 00;28;50;19 Speaker 2 I yeah, for sure. We, we like all the perspectives. 00;28;50;19 - 00;29;02;24 Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, Alexa can barely understand when I want to set a timer right now, so I feel like we're still such. We're still a ways away from from. I really, I think to take over. 00;29;02;29 - 00;29;03;22 Speaker 2 The industry all. 00;29;03;22 - 00;29;20;15 Speaker 1 Creative. Yeah. I think there's some jobs that are more at risk right now than others, but I still think we have some time until, um. Until I can can fully understand the emotion. You need to tell a story. 00;29;20;24 - 00;29;38;13 Speaker 2 That's, I think, what we're missing. Like what people seem to be forgetting, is there's so much emotion behind a director or even behind a producer, to be honest. Like, there's a lot of numbers and things on a piece of paper. But for me to actually creative director, creative producer, the word creative is kind of where we're, you know, we still have that, you know, human connection. 00;29;38;13 - 00;29;39;14 Speaker 2 So I feel like it's important. 00;29;39;15 - 00;29;54;11 Speaker 1 Yeah. And I think you bring up a really good point where we're producing just as creative as directing. I mean, you know, some people don't realize this, but kind of on the hierarchy, producing kind of is the top of the hierarchy. They hire directors, right? So at the end of the day, they control the budget and. 00;29;54;20 - 00;29;55;08 Speaker 2 Vision to. 00;29;55;26 - 00;30;08;05 Speaker 1 It. But the budget controls everything, right? And you might have a great song you want in your movie, but if the producer can't afford it, then then that's a creative decision that they're making, right? So a lot of creativity there. Yeah, for sure. 00;30;08;22 - 00;30;10;13 Speaker 2 That's that's good advice. 00;30;10;13 - 00;30;32;23 Speaker 1 But real quick, back to the I might be naive there. I mean, I, I have no idea. But I, I think I'm more optimistic. I see a lot of ways where I can help and enhance and support and it excites me. Yeah, I do. I think one day it'll catch up and get to a place where it can sort of do the same things that that writer directors do probably. 00;30;32;23 - 00;30;34;21 Speaker 1 Yeah. Um, but I still think we have some time. 00;30;34;21 - 00;30;35;27 Speaker 2 Yeah, I hope so. 00;30;36;01 - 00;30;36;13 Speaker 1 Me too. 00;30;38;02 - 00;30;51;14 Speaker 2 And then just in terms of kind of the advice you give, any pieces of advice, like if you were to just sit in a room with your students and they're just asking for pieces of advice for a filmmaker, what are some that you've learned kind of along your journey? 00;30;52;21 - 00;31;14;29 Speaker 1 Well, for the first part, I love teaching. Yeah. I mean, it's I think during COVID, especially as we all did during COVID, you know, there was a lot of time for reflection, and filmmaking can feel so selfish sometimes to me, where I'm asking all of these people to sort of help me realize my voice and my creative vision. 00;31;15;24 - 00;31;33;02 Speaker 1 I literally wanted to do something that just felt more fulfilling. Yeah. And that was not giving back. But I felt like I was a part of a community and helping to make a contribution. That was also something that I felt I was missing was that connection. And I think this community and in teaching is really sort of fill that gap for me. 00;31;33;02 - 00;31;58;16 Speaker 1 So and then I try to answer all questions the students ask, they ask all those kinds of questions and I think one of the nice things for me is that I'm actively making movies right now. Like I just started up a new one. So I have, you know, I try to be pretty transparent about my process, the good, the bad and the ugly in hopes that that will help prepare students in this kind of challenging market right now. 00;31;58;26 - 00;32;18;06 Speaker 2 Any advice you can going to give to the challenging market right now? Because I know it's like the you know, the industry feels ultra competitive right now. There's just a lot going on. Sometimes it does feel like every man for himself, you know, when you're trying to find like a community or collaboration. So just any advice you can give. 00;32;18;18 - 00;32;40;07 Speaker 1 Now, I've got a ton I mean, a couple would be I wouldn't fret too much. I think I think entertainment's always going to be there. People need entertainment. People need artists and voices. They need people that can help look at the world and make sense of it in ways that, you know, might like the symbolism. Yeah, that and and that's a big part of it. 00;32;40;07 - 00;33;06;07 Speaker 1 But also just I think art can really help in taking, you know, what's happening in the world in making sense of it. I was just teaching a class survey of international cinema and we were looking at two South Korean films, Burning and Parasite, which everyone's seen. But to look at how those two filmmakers explored class and, you know, socioeconomic strife, especially amongst young people in that country. 00;33;07;04 - 00;33;25;13 Speaker 1 I don't I don't think it's it's difficult to sort of draw a correlation with with some similar things that are happening, you know, worldwide. Those kinds of films help me make sense at all. So I think we need that. So I guess that's my first thing. I don't think it's going anywhere. Yeah, we all need artists, we need escape and we need people that can help us understand these issues better. 00;33;25;19 - 00;33;43;08 Speaker 1 Right? Also, I would say one, I would I would try to get a side hustle or some sort of gig. So that's not directly film related when you're jumping directly out of school, because I think it takes a little bit of time to to get yourself situated, especially if you want to be a writer, director or a producer. 00;33;43;08 - 00;34;07;06 Speaker 1 Yeah, I would work at, you know, a production company or work for a management company or an agency or or do something completely unrelated to film. But I think that's provided me a lot of stability. Yeah. So, so that I could say no to things that I don't want to do. And that's been really that's been empowering it really just to hang in there, this, this, this, this will, it'll get better. 00;34;07;06 - 00;34;12;20 Speaker 1 It really will. And this is an especially challenging time. Yeah. To try to go out and find a job but it will get better. 00;34;12;29 - 00;34;19;02 Speaker 2 Is there anything you're working on that you can tell us about or whatever's next, next project or anything? 00;34;19;06 - 00;34;48;28 Speaker 1 Yeah. So I just finished a screenplay with my co-writing this with, with a screenwriting partner called Jezebel. Jezebel is about a country country group, basically a duo brother, sister duo, Charlotte and Tyler, and they've spent years trying to make music in the middle of nowhere, Texas. And nobody cares and Charlotte is getting to a place where she's thinking of hanging it up and taking care of the ranch. 00;34;48;28 - 00;35;11;27 Speaker 1 And then one day one of their songs, Jezebel, is found playing at this horrific scene of a murder songs playing on repeat Jezebel scrawled in Blood Over Over the Windshield. And because of that, they start to grow. People start to take notice, and this band gets a little bit of life, and then they get to start opening for people in in Texas in the red dirt scene. 00;35;12;21 - 00;35;17;16 Speaker 1 And then as keep going, you know, things, things happen. And that's sort of Jezebel. 00;35;17;23 - 00;35;30;06 Speaker 2 That's exciting. All right. Good luck with that. Thank you. Wait to see. Okay. So just a little rapid fire. Is there a favorite film you've seen in the past year? 00;35;30;06 - 00;35;30;17 Speaker 1 That's a. 00;35;30;17 - 00;35;32;03 Speaker 2 Tough one that stuck out maybe. 00;35;32;17 - 00;35;34;07 Speaker 1 A new one or just any film. 00;35;34;07 - 00;35;34;14 Speaker 2 Any. 00;35;34;21 - 00;35;49;09 Speaker 1 Just because he's getting so much notoriety right now, I'm so happy for him. But Sean Baker is so good and I'm so glad he won the Palme d'Or. So glad he won Best picture. Yeah, I think people think that he's this overnight success. But but Sean Baker's been around for a really long time. 00;35;49;09 - 00;35;51;16 Speaker 2 That's such a real thing for a lot of people in the industry. 00;35;51;16 - 00;36;09;26 Speaker 1 So I like to point him out because he's not by any means an overnight success. I think. I don't don't quote me, but I think this is like his seventh, sixth or seventh movie. A lot of films that went nowhere initially. Yeah, just studying him, I think is a good case study on on what it really takes to sort of get into the film Film scene. 00;36;09;27 - 00;36;28;20 Speaker 1 Yeah. And then I love Lulu and I'm just a big fan of her work. The Farewell is one of my very favorite movies. Anybody I know, anybody who's been one of my classes knows how much I love Lulu Wang. And I also I want to point out Charlotte Wells Aftersun is a film that was made two years ago that I think more people should see. 00;36;28;28 - 00;36;35;04 Speaker 2 Awesome. And then do you have a dream actor you want to work with? Actor Does. 00;36;35;04 - 00;36;56;11 Speaker 1 You know what? I want to work with Owen Campbell again. You know, he's he was the younger brother in my short film Stay Awake. And he he was in what was the film ex tight Ty West's film with with me a goth part of that movie that did really well. I mean, he's he's been in a lot of great movies since, but it'd be a dream to work with him. 00;36;56;11 - 00;36;59;09 Speaker 2 Again and then scripted or documentary. 00;36;59;09 - 00;37;20;09 Speaker 1 What's scarier docs far and away. I to no no no contest. I think docs are so much harder in a lot of ways because I mean it depends on on your approach, right? If you do something that's more historical, right, Maybe there's you can write a script that may be more simple, but being a fly on the wall and doing something verité where you're not really sure where the story's going. 00;37;20;24 - 00;37;31;06 Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, in the editing part of that, in the skill that it takes to find the story in the material, hats off to people who who do that constantly. 00;37;31;06 - 00;37;36;05 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. And then what's one piece of advice you'd give your younger self? The younger Jamie. 00;37;36;21 - 00;37;58;02 Speaker 1 Enjoy life more. Yeah. Stop. Stop being so stressed. Yeah. And and just realizing that what, you think maybe we can all relate to this. But I remember 20 years ago, I made decisions based on where the landscape was. Yeah. And it's been humbling to see over the last 20 years how much everything's changed. Right? The economy, our country. 00;37;58;17 - 00;38;07;27 Speaker 1 So just, you know, be be loose, be fluid, like be willing to adapt and enjoy that instead of be frustrated by it I think is something that I'm learning. 00;38;07;27 - 00;38;17;24 Speaker 2 Yeah that's great advice. And then just last one. I know you kind of touched on it, getting into cooking lately, but is there anything that you like to do just outside of all of this that kind of gives you a little bit of peace? 00;38;18;20 - 00;38;21;19 Speaker 1 I it's silly. I love watching movies. I just. 00;38;21;28 - 00;38;23;09 Speaker 2 That's my answer to yeah. 00;38;23;09 - 00;38;38;10 Speaker 1 I'm a big I'm a big fan of watching films and television. I mean, I'm just I'm rewatching The Wire right now for a new project I'm about to. Yeah. To write. And it's just been such a joy to sit at night and rewatch those seasons. It's it's just it's lovely. 00;38;38;13 - 00;38;39;19 Speaker 2 That's awesome. I think. 00;38;39;19 - 00;38;40;03 Speaker 1 That's lame. 00;38;40;03 - 00;38;54;09 Speaker 2 But no, no, I like to do I have that same answer honestly, because that is, I guess, what launched me into the career. But also it kind of takes me out of it sometimes. It's just like letting my head go to another space or another world or just another, you know, universe of characters. 00;38;54;09 - 00;39;06;16 Speaker 1 Well, it's nice too, because really, then your work is a joy. Like I really do genuinely enjoy what I do. Both, both filmmaking, watching films, teaching about film. Yeah, I just. I really. I really love. 00;39;06;16 - 00;39;30;03 Speaker 2 It. That's awesome. Thank you so much, Jamie, for coming on the podcast and we can't wait to see what you do. And good luck with the next project coming up. And I'm sure if anyone has any questions, please. Well, you know, drop all information in the description as well. Yeah. Take a class. Take a class, take a page out to drop what classes you teach or what class so that you know, at least just I don't think we. 00;39;30;08 - 00;39;32;20 Speaker 1 Think next semester I'm teaching, writing the short film. 00;39;32;28 - 00;39;33;03 Speaker 2 And. 00;39;33;03 - 00;39;48;22 Speaker 1 Producing awesome. And then generally, I oftentimes will teach writing the feature. So a lot of writing classes and then, you know, I taught cross-cultural cinema one semester, which was a Joy International cinema this semester. Yeah, I kind of skip around whatever, whatever's needed. 00;39;48;22 - 00;39;50;16 Speaker 2 But no, it's important. 00;39;50;16 - 00;39;54;18 Speaker 1 But thank you guys for having me. It's the other thing I wanted to say. It's really, really a pleasure. Thank you all very much. 00;39;54;18 - 00;40;12;22 Speaker 2 Really. It was an honor and pleasure. Thank you. And if you would like to donate to the School of Communication, go to give me dot Ҵý Edu. Otherwise, we will see you next time. And that's a wrap.
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Get in the Mix with Dean Marnel Niles Goins
This week's episode of Media in the Mix is a special one! This entire podcast episode you’re hearing and watching today comes to you care of SOC students participating in our second annual Media in the Mix experiential learning demo! Their special guest on the podcast is our very own Dean Marnel Niles Goins! Since she's new to SOC, we loved getting an opportunity to learn more about her, whether talking about her time here at AU or her favorite sports movies!
A team of six students worked together in our Media Production Center to produce the episode from lights to set design to sound to a 3-camera set-up. So, sit back, enjoy their hard work!
A Special Shoutout to the SOC production team:
- Sophie Koz
- Gabi Lefkowitz
- Gislene Lima Nogueira
- Krystal Shaw
- Todd St Hill
- Hank Zakarin
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Just do stuff. Right. Or if you try to do it and you think you're going to fail, that's okay, too. But honestly, if you do fail, that's okay. Have fun with it. Like this is a part of your life That is a perfect time to make mistakes. Be confident in your abilities. There's somebody out there who wants you.
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Speaker 1
I'm thinking in a job. I mean, do you want to love life? Okay, that too. But like, you are good as you are right now. And because of that, you know, go try stuff. You've got an inkling of something you might want to do. Go ahead and do it and put the fear somewhere else.
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Welcome to Media The Mix, The only podcast produced and hosted by the School of Communication at Ҵý. Join us as we create a safe space to explore topics and communication at the intersection of social justice.
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Tech innovation.
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And pop culture. Welcome back to meeting the mics. I'm your host, Grace Ibrahim. And today we have a very special guest, someone who's been making big moves here at Ҵý School of Communication. She's our fearless leader, a dedicated educator and a champion for our students. So welcome, Dean Marnell. Niles, go in.
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Speaker 1
Thank you for having me. I'm honored to have been invited.
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Speaker 2
Absolutely. And today is a very special episode because our production team behind the cameras are our students. Today, we're going to go a little bit beyond the title and get to know you on a different level. Okay? Okay. So let's get started. All right, I'm ready. So the podcast. All right. So we just want to get a little start to you and kind of how you got your intro into the world of academia communications.
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Speaker 2
Did you have like a distinct memory that kind of launched you into this space?
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Speaker 1
I there's some small memories I have when I was a kid of two brothers who are really annoying. I'm the only girl, middle child and I found them to be particularly annoying probably every day. So I just retreat to my room and read, and a lot of the things that I did included like recreating teaching environment. So I was teaching, I was putting together lesson plans.
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Speaker 1
It's just, you know, that that memory in my in my brain, that was like a place of peace for me in addition to other things, right? Like, you know, I would do carpentry with my dad or or paint or draw or, you know, I created a news letter. But all those things were often me in moments where I was teaching.
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Yeah. I did not directly think I was going to be an educator. A lot of folks in my family are educators, and so I shied away from it. But I was in moments where I needed a little, little bit of reprieve. But I found myself doing some things that were related to education. But but even still, I want to be an artist.
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Speaker 1
Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to be an artist.
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Was there like, a specific art that you were drawn to?
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I love to paint. Even now, I don't have much time. I just write, you know, I love to paint. And so, you know, I did some, like, more College of Art when I was in high school. My art teacher was like, You should go to New York. And I don't know if most of our listeners know. You know, my parents are not from the United States of America.
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They are from another country. And they were like, No, yeah, this is that's cute, but this is.
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Not.
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Right. This is not what you're going to be doing here. We came to this country for you to be some artist in New York. So they never actually gave me all the compliments that the teachers they gave me. And so I ended up wanting to do graphic design in undergrad, but I went to a small college, and graphic design was in the communication department.
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And and so it kind of went from there. I took a class in, I think, intercultural communication, then another one and like public speaking. And then I was I was like, oh, you know, graphic design. Let's move on from that and think about comp theory.
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That's awesome.
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And and that kind of paved the way.
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That's very cool. And then just in terms of now you're at SC, what is there anything that drew you to the school communications, anything that you feel that you were like, I really want to be here?
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Yes. Yes. So it's interesting because before I was here, I was at a another university in Arlington, Virginia. So not too far. Yeah. Marymount Universe. And I was the dean of the College of Sciences and Humanities, so I had communication, but I also had biomedical engineering and mechanical engineering. And we started those programs and we were starting social work in the sciences and humanities and so many programs.
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It was really, really quite wonderful. The faculty there and the students were phenomenal and then I saw the job opening at ASU for communication. I was like, You know, I have not been with only com scholars for a little while now. I am at the time I was, I think, first vice president of the National Communication Association and then president last year.
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Now I'm past president and that's when I kind of got my comm through. And then I saw the job and I was like, you know, let me just see. And then I went on the interview and everybody was wonderful. Everyone told the same story about SLC from the president at the time to the provost, to the students, the faculty, even the alarms about how wonderful SLC is and has always been.
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I was like, All right, that's great, I'll do it. Yeah. Yeah. I felt really well. Have you. Thank you.
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Thank you. And then just in terms of that, it's been a few months now settled into the role. What excites you about it? And then also, is there anything you're looking forward to doing?
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Yes. So I'll say I got my master's in piece in organizational and small group communication. Yes. And so my brain works in terms of like making sense of things.
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Yes.
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Speaker 1
A lot of different things that, you know, for many people, including my husband, he's like, you're doing too much. Like, I can't this is this is too much. But the stuff that I do every day in this role fits with how my brain works. Yeah. So making sense of what the faculty are doing with their scholarship is the research that they're doing, the phenomenal students.
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Speaker 1
That's one of the real thrills, like going to classes and talking to them and seeing them in the hallway, you know, say what you're doing and yeah, did you get that project on? And while it's a lot of problem solving, it really fits with how I make sense of the world. And, and so coming in the office is fun.
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Speaker 1
Now when I get home, I am my brain is exhausted, so everybody needs to act right at that point. But coming here, it's like there's not a day where I feel as if I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing, even when there are some difficult decisions that need to be made, even when they're happy moments, it's all like, All right, yeah, yeah, that's great.
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Speaker 2
That's a parent, too. So no, thank you. We appreciate that. And then I'm going to throw in one, two, one fun question here. In terms of like SC, do you have like a dream major? You would add to SC or a dream class?
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Speaker 1
So I am a nerd. I just say that like I told you that I studied organizational and small group communication and my minor was math. Like, I have loved math from the time I was a kid. My brother and I, my younger brother and I have like a competition of like who was going to do better. On the AP calculus.
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Speaker 1
And I won. He's a math teacher right now. And I just want the world to know that I beat him and he's a year younger than me. So. So the classes that I think of, Yeah, are really a little nerdy, like because I can make sense of the world through, like, art. Yeah. And math and communication. It would be something related to like, you know, the art of math, which would not fit in SLC at all.
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Speaker 1
Right. I mean, I guess I could make it fit, but that would be like no one would take, but I would just put together like all of my loves, like, you know, math. So, you know, give me a budget. I got. Yeah. Art, you know, painting and then something with com so if I could find a good way to put that together that would be great.
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Speaker 1
There would be no waitlist. So because no one would still be taking it.
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Speaker 2
You know, in terms of production, though, you'd be surprised how many numbers come up like it really is like allocating budgets and understanding that like we might run out of money and we ought to give you do that to prioritize.
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Speaker 1
And that decision.
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Speaker 2
Is a real thing. I was a math major when I first came to you. You know, I guess I didn't have very long. Oh, it didn't last very long. But I love math. I it's it's that mean girls quote. It's the same in every country. I think it's very poetic right Because to.
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Speaker 1
Me, I mean, it's about sense making, right? So with math, that's what it's about. Like making sense of the numbers with art, it's also for me, like visually making sense of it. And I just never had to, like, separate the two. It was always like, All right, well, I'm really good at math. And, you know, I would have been a math major, but I want to graduate early.
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Speaker 1
And, you know, I really love art. And so it was always like even at home, I okay. To love all those things.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, that's great. Actually, for me, I do remember it was statistics that made me Oh, it was. I put that to the. Oh yeah, it was. It was a tough one. It's a tough guy. I love you. Loves this.
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Speaker 1
So I did my first class was in grad school.
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Speaker 2
Oh, wow.
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Speaker 1
Okay. And I was. Yes, I really enjoyed.
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Speaker 2
It, love. That's okay. So we're learning new things about you. I love that. So there is. And of course, now we're going to kind of go into the realistic aspect of that. But as the new dean, do you have any initiatives that you plan to introduce at Ҵý to kind of support the idea of diversity inclusion? I know we're we're this year we are doing a lot of campaigns related to ICE.
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Speaker 2
Is there anything there?
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Speaker 1
Yes. So, you know, it's really interesting. One of the things that drew me to Ҵý was how the student body is represented there from so many different countries. They have so many different interests and how the faculty support them. And one of the struggles that we're having right now in terms of some of our community programs that we work with is that they are struggling as well financially.
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Speaker 1
And so some of our community partners, you know, are like, Yeah, we wish we could, but we don't have the the budget to be able to sustain like opportunities for our students. One of my dreams is to really build that back up and that would be more external facing a less internal. The faculty have like when I say brilliant staff, brilliant ideas of of what we can do to bring in more students and bring in more revenue when they're especially good at having the students network and have connections.
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Speaker 1
But one thing that we are starting to struggle with is that these networks are starting to dry up, especially in the D.C. area. You know, real estate is up. We don't have as many students going to college nowadays is what they're telling us. And then how people view communication, the value of it for journalism, for film, you know, the industry is changing.
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Speaker 1
And so as it affects our community partners, it's going to affect the student experience. So if I could just like, create this wonderful, exciting initiative, it'll be something where we have this direct connection with our community partners because that is where our students learn how to be not just experts, but experts in the field, right? Like yesterday, the Anacostia Film Festival, we had a showing of one of the films on campus, and it was wonderful.
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Speaker 1
It was run the Hope Work was what? The documentary. I'm sure I have their backwards. It might be a whole run work. You could look it up. Yeah. And, and it was just amazing how some of our SLC film and media art students are working with these community groups and that is how you learn how to care for other people.
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Speaker 1
That is not just where you learn how to put the stuff that you've learned on campus in the community, but it's also how you learn how to be a better person. Yeah, So when you're out here in ten and 20 years and your managers like that's how you learn how to treat people. Yeah, it's how you learn, you know, how to deal with somebody who comes in to work late.
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Speaker 1
It's how you learn, how you know, somebody has a bad attitude. And that doesn't always mean you have to get it. Attitude back is how you learn how to have compassion and why you learn that here at a you, it's when you go out into the community and when you work with various groups that you learn how to be a real leader.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. And also how you learn in a sense how to be led because it doesn't mean that you go out there in a, you know, a way where you're authoritarian and you're like, Yeah, I know how to run this. I've got this new education, right? The people know more than we do often, and we've got to learn from other folks in our community as well.
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Speaker 1
And so that would be my dream if we could really solidify partnerships, if they weren't going away as much, if they could get the financial backing. And what else I will say of the students are not short of opportunities for even with some of that decreasing the jobs that they're getting, the internships they're getting, the work that they're doing in our community groups is just something that I am in awe of, frankly.
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Speaker 2
That sometimes they create their own opportunities. Yeah, they do. Really, really impressive. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
They'll stop me in the hallway like, Hey, I did this. I'm sure you saw my emails to me. I will watch it online.
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Speaker 2
That's awesome. That's awesome. And you did say something that I kind of want to touch on of, you know, we're being told that not many kids are going to college nowadays. And I know with just technology continuing to advance in AI and all this stuff, there is this sense of, well, I can just teach myself. But do you have any insight onto kind of the importance of formal education and why that could, you know, being in the classroom, interacting with other peers and students?
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Speaker 2
What's the importance of that?
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Speaker 1
Yes, you know, I, I don't want to sound like, oh, I've been in academia for a lot. I mean, I have. Right. But there's also something we can learn from students saying, Hey, I can learn about this online and how we offer courses and what we're offering. But college is also about relationships. It's about the networking, it's about challenging yourself.
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Speaker 1
So I'll say one thing, like with social media, which is wonderful, but it shows you what you want to show, right? And I'll give you an example. You know, I'm from Philadelphia, so, you know, by way of that that I love the Eagles. Right? And so when I am scrolling through what's coming up, it's all equals clips, Super Bowl highlights, going to see Champions highlights.
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Speaker 1
I'm going to click on all of them. I want to like them. Yeah. What I'm not seeing is anything about the Chiefs, right? Right. I'm not seeing anything about the commanders. I'm not seeing anything about the Rams. I'm saying stuff about Philly, Right. And I'm liking it. Yeah, I'm happy. Yeah. But I'm also not challenging myself. I would have to be proactive and go to, like, the Kansas City Chiefs social media pages for me to go there and to challenge myself.
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Speaker 1
Right. So in the age where we get to be surrounded by things that will make us comfortable, the college environment teaches us how to be around things that make us uncomfortable right? How to understand different perspectives, how to humanize people, how to not be angry when you know, like you are social me. You can get angry really quickly, right?
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Speaker 1
You know, and you see the worst of people. Yeah, but that's not what real life is like. It teaches you how to disagree, right? Being in college, it teaches you how to advocate for yourself. If you get a grade you don't love, but also how to get someone to, you know, really mentor you in a way that is beyond something you can get online.
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Speaker 1
And so I'll say the experiences of a college setting cannot be replicated by taking like a class when you're by yourself online. And the other thing I'll say is sometimes many times you've got skills and talents that sometimes other people see. A we don't. And online you're doing, you know, you're watching a YouTube video, which is wonderful, right?
00;15;33;24 - 00;15;58;28
Speaker 1
Yeah. I'm trying to figure out what to do with this toilet. I can be a, you know, any kind of person who, who, who, you know, studies how to fix toilets, I think. Right. And the say at the same time, if I'm saying, hey, you know, Mardell, you've got this skill, you should really hone in on this. That's not something that I would necessarily know myself unless someone told me.
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Speaker 1
MARNELL You'd be a great artist, right? You're really good at math. If it was just me, I'd be online looking at like, you know, carpentry, right? Or out of the toilets or whatever. And I'd be good at it. Yeah, but there's some skills that other people might see and can pour into. You that you need to be in a college environment for that to happen.
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Speaker 2
You can also learn from.
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Speaker 1
You can also learn from it. Yeah. And also there's a whole aspect of like, you know, living in a dorm, That's how you learn how to do somebody else's hair.
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Speaker 2
That's yeah.
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Speaker 1
You know. Yeah. And like, I remember, you know, dyeing my roommate's hair. How can you have it? A chair is at home, you know, messing up her hair. And I tried to get her back. Was there some disasters that happen in college that you need to get that experience and then fail? Yeah. It's not until you try to cut one of your friends hair.
00;16;42;10 - 00;16;50;24
Speaker 1
You just. Yeah, you had to do a hat for a little while and what? But now I know that that's not a skill that you, that I.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, Yeah. We were talking about the other day I had my college roommate pierced both my ears, so it's like. Yes, yes. I was the second one. It was the, the one. It was okay. To her credit, she did great.
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Speaker 1
It was.
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Speaker 2
Fine. Suddenly it's you know, it's it is true. It's things like that, though, like really to build character.
00;17;08;21 - 00;17;14;19
Speaker 1
A little bit builds character and that's how you learn how to fail. Yeah. Like at home, when I'm doing stuff, I'm doing stuff that I feel comfortable with.
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Speaker 2
Yes.
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Speaker 1
And in college you have to fail. You have to succeed at things you never thought you.
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Speaker 2
Would get out of your home, get out.
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Speaker 1
Of your comfort zone and then just, you know, have a little.
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Speaker 2
Fun. Yeah, that's so true. And have a little another fun follow up question to this. All right. If you could go back and give your college self a piece of advice, what would that be?
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Speaker 1
Well, you know, you know, folks have like recurring nightmare. Yeah. Yes. I'll tell you, this is why I'm in there. My reoccurring nightmares that I failed a math class.
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Speaker 2
Oh, no, no.
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Speaker 1
You go back. I'm like, Oh, my gosh. So anyway, my my college self, I might say, go ahead and do that, major. Like, don't graduate early. Maybe just go ahead and major in math. That should be fun to have a fun a fun piece of advice for me. But it's really like, you know, why not be a double major?
00;18;01;09 - 00;18;06;15
Speaker 1
You don't need to graduate that early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I told you, I'm a nerd. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
00;18;06;25 - 00;18;24;26
Speaker 2
No, it's fine. It's fine. That's great. And then obviously, just on the the idea of what we're doing today, this experiential learning opportunity. Yes. What's your advice for associates, students? On that note, just how to get involved? Is there anything just as Dean, that you kind of want to get the message out there about?
00;18;25;11 - 00;18;46;00
Speaker 1
You know, one of the things, as I mentioned, I have two brothers, right? And so one of the things having two brothers and parents from another country, I just didn't have fear as a that was not my first emotion. So my suggestion is to try new things and just like do it like, I remember when I was like, you know what?
00;18;46;14 - 00;19;03;19
Speaker 1
I will learn how to ride a motorcycle, right? And then I got my motorcycle license. Did you really? I did. I absolutely. Don't ask me how to if I know how to do it now, but it was like, just go ahead and do it. You know, there's another time where there's this job opening at the FBI for Special Agent.
00;19;03;19 - 00;19;21;05
Speaker 1
And that's why I did all the, you know, polygraph, all the tests. I got it. I did. I was like, should I be a special agent? Anyway, the point is, just do stuff. Yeah, right. Yeah. If you expect to do it or if you try to do it and you think you're going to fail, yeah, that's okay too.
00;19;21;22 - 00;19;42;01
Speaker 1
And honestly, if you do fail, that's okay. Have fun with it. Like, this is a part of your life that is a perfect time to make mistakes. Yeah, right. You, you know, you could try it, you could fail, can not work out. Try something else that doesn't work out. Try something else. Be confident in your abilities. There's somebody out there who wants you.
00;19;42;02 - 00;19;58;22
Speaker 1
I'm thinking in a job, but, I mean, if you want the love life, then that too. Yeah, but like, you are good as you are right now. And because of that, you know, go try stuff. If you got an inkling of something you might want to do, go ahead and do it and put the fear somewhere else.
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Speaker 2
Yeah.
00;19;59;13 - 00;20;12;03
Speaker 1
Do it scared and like, Yeah. And then if you fail, like, that's just a wonderful opportunity for you to keep trying, you know, not to put football lingo, but look at, you know, Jalen hurts. We played the Chiefs a couple of years.
00;20;12;03 - 00;20;13;10
Speaker 2
I was going to ask you about the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. He you know, he didn't win and he came back and did it again. Or look at any sports analogy, any life analogy. You can see like, you know, do a scared do it. Nervous. Yeah. Go out in the community, make some big changes. Yeah. And, and learn from it. That's the whole point of this life.
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Speaker 2
That's just to learn that and to.
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Speaker 1
Become better humans. I didn't do it. If you do it when you're comfortable, right?
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Speaker 2
I didn't realize that until I was a little bit older. Kind of teach giving back and teaching. Yes, I realize I teach more from my failures than I do my success because there's so much more to teach you there than there is. But it's like everything goes great and it's all right.
00;20;47;23 - 00;20;50;00
Speaker 1
If everything was great and we would be horrible humans.
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Speaker 2
Yes. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
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Speaker 1
That's probably the worst. If life was perfect, I don't even know if I would be here right now. I'd be somewhere in Fiji. I'm too good for this. Right? But that's what the values are. Teaches you how to humanize people, how to care for people.
00;21;04;23 - 00;21;19;11
Speaker 2
Yes. And to your point about being in the classroom, being surrounded by your peers, I feel like it kind of teaches you the idea of just never be the smartest one in the room, kind of like, you know, there's a bunch of minds put them together. We said that today. We were like, Let's use all of our minds and put them together and, you know, rip off each other.
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Speaker 2
And it's yeah.
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Speaker 1
And honestly, that's what being a dean is. It's leading, but it's not commanding people based on, you know, like my brilliance. I don't know everything, right, Mike? The faculty know, the staff know the students, know society, the trends that are going on. It's my job to be aware of it and to make sense of it and to lead it.
00;21;36;24 - 00;21;38;15
Speaker 1
But I'm not the smartest one in the room.
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Speaker 2
I love that. That's great advice. I want to do some fun questions. Okay.
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Speaker 1
I'm trying not to be a nerd. All right. Let's go.
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Speaker 2
First of all, congratulations on the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1
Thank you very much. You know, I worked really hard to get us there. And so I am grateful to all of the people who supported me.
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Speaker 2
Do do you do anything fun for you? Have a little Super Bowl party, You know, So.
00;22;00;22 - 00;22;10;28
Speaker 1
You know, my family, as I mentioned, born in Philly, but my parents are from another country, Barbados and Jamaica. But I watch it at home. Yeah. Because I need I need to watch it in peace.
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Speaker 2
I figure that's.
00;22;12;04 - 00;22;20;29
Speaker 1
Like I don't need disruptions. I don't need you, you know? So my family, my husband and my kids were there. And yeah, I need some silence. And, you know, on the family check.
00;22;20;29 - 00;22;22;12
Speaker 2
Yes, we had a.
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Speaker 1
Yes, yes, yes. I really had a good time that day. I wore a jersey the next day.
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Speaker 2
So I guess. Yeah. Yeah.
00;22;29;15 - 00;22;34;01
Speaker 1
With I had a blazer over it so I did look professional and yeah.
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Speaker 2
I feel like after the day after Super Bowl, it's should be a pass, you know.
00;22;37;22 - 00;22;43;16
Speaker 1
Educate. I thought about where. Yeah. There's the every day. Yeah. And then I thought that might be a little overkill that.
00;22;43;24 - 00;22;50;17
Speaker 2
We would have give it to you. It's okay. We have a fun question here, but if you could trade places with any Eagles player for a day, who would that be?
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Speaker 1
Is it during football season or is this during like, you know, now that I have the money and I'm going on vacation?
00;22;57;15 - 00;22;59;07
Speaker 2
Oh, that's a good ques contract.
00;22;59;07 - 00;23;03;06
Speaker 1
Do I want or whose physical play do I want to engage in?
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Speaker 2
Both.
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Speaker 1
Okay, well, I would probably say Jalen hurts. Okay? It was not football season because, you know, he has a big contract and so I would be on vacation.
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Speaker 2
I love right now I'm not here doing this.
00;23;16;16 - 00;23;40;05
Speaker 1
Well, you know, I just I would zoom in. I would zoom in. But if I were a player, maybe Micah back then, big ticket because he's huge and he has a one year contract and he just you know, he got released from the Jets recently and just his picture of him and his son enjoying the Super Bowl was great.
00;23;40;05 - 00;23;45;07
Speaker 1
Plus, he's just big, right? And I was just like he knocked people down. And that seems like that would be fun.
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Speaker 2
That's awesome.
00;23;45;29 - 00;23;46;17
Speaker 1
People down.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. Just like.
00;23;47;13 - 00;23;53;16
Speaker 1
Yes, not in McKinley, right? So I just want to put that out there. This would be on a football field.
00;23;54;24 - 00;24;06;14
Speaker 2
This is strictly strictly football. Oh, that's awesome. So your your love for sneakers? Oh, yes. That's a thing I feel like everyone should know about.
00;24;06;15 - 00;24;08;24
Speaker 1
I do love sneakers. Yes.
00;24;08;24 - 00;24;14;15
Speaker 2
How do you get started? Was it just like you just be like this comfortable, but also fashion forward. And I want to keep going.
00;24;14;25 - 00;24;34;10
Speaker 1
A little bit. Yeah, because I remember going sneaker shopping with my dad. So in middle school and high school, I love sneakers. And then I think maybe I took a break or maybe I did it. I remember in college too, I wear a lot of different sneakers. And then there was a point where I was like, You know, I just want to wear sneakers.
00;24;35;00 - 00;24;53;02
Speaker 1
And when I was a professor, you know, you can dress down. And once I became a dean was like, Oh, wait, I've got to like, dress up. So I took it for a little bit and then I realized, okay, I can actually wear some Jordan's with this suit. Yeah. So I was starting to do that. But one thing I will say that most people don't know is that I had two hip replacements.
00;24;53;23 - 00;25;13;12
Speaker 1
Yeah. So 20, 20, I had a hip replacement, and in 2022 I had the other ones. So I also could really use that as a great excuse. Yeah. To say, Oh man, I'm unable to wear these high heels, I've got to get another pair, you know, a dunks or something like that, just because, you know it's what's my accommodation.
00;25;13;24 - 00;25;17;17
Speaker 2
Was in say what's a fun fact about you that most people don't know. I do.
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Speaker 1
I know I've got hear.
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Speaker 2
That but it's a fact.
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Speaker 1
When I'm going through like security they they are very judgy. Yeah okay because I do remember going through one time and I heard the person ask elderly woman in front of me like, do you have any joint replacements? And this is at the airport. And she was like, No, I'm okay. And then she saw me. She's like, Come on through.
00;25;38;22 - 00;25;46;08
Speaker 1
I was like, You have any questions you might want to ask me? She's like, No, you're too young for that. And I was like, Go.
00;25;46;20 - 00;25;47;12
Speaker 2
I was like.
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Speaker 1
Actually, you should probably ask. And then she kicked me out the line. I had to go. So she went through another line.
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Speaker 2
No TSA stuff.
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Speaker 1
Just I just go, TSA, get it together. That's really that's a, you know, fun fact. Yeah. Though if you know, if I've got a cane or a walker, like after the surgery, people are super nice. Oh, yeah. So that was that was.
00;26;09;02 - 00;26;17;17
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I guess back to the sneakers. Yeah. If you could only wear one pair of sneakers. Yeah. Which ones would they be?
00;26;18;07 - 00;26;32;27
Speaker 1
Uh, I so Jordan ones are most comfortable, okay. And I would probably. I would probably wear my mochas. Yeah. Yes. But then those are also, like, one of my favorite, so I try not to wear them all the time.
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Speaker 2
Right, right, right.
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Speaker 1
But I keep them for. Yeah, but if I had to wear one every day. Yeah. They're comfortable.
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Speaker 2
That's like the problem with new sneakers. I'm always like, I just want to look at them. But then.
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Speaker 1
Yes, you have to wear.
00;26;42;10 - 00;26;42;19
Speaker 2
Them.
00;26;42;23 - 00;26;47;22
Speaker 1
And then take a break and forget about them. Yes. And then, you know, say, Oh, wait.
00;26;47;22 - 00;26;48;21
Speaker 2
I have this closet.
00;26;48;21 - 00;26;49;28
Speaker 1
Yes, absolutely.
00;26;49;29 - 00;26;55;00
Speaker 2
Love that. And then what's the last TV show you binge watched?
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Speaker 1
This is does not include football or does it?
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Speaker 2
I mean, it could be good.
00;27;01;26 - 00;27;07;03
Speaker 1
Because the last time I watched the Super Bowl was, I think Monday.
00;27;07;03 - 00;27;08;03
Speaker 2
Wow. Okay.
00;27;08;07 - 00;27;09;17
Speaker 1
And the last time I watched Highlight.
00;27;09;17 - 00;27;10;00
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00;27;10;05 - 00;27;32;13
Speaker 1
Was last night. Oh, wow. You had to do different highlights, right? You got to do, you know, Eagles chiefs and then you got to if you want to go back, you could do Eagles commanders and go back a little bit more and Eagles rams. Yeah, right. And so it depends what I'm feeling because the other thing I'll say, I've got three kids, so they're young, they're 11, nine and seven.
00;27;32;18 - 00;27;41;15
Speaker 1
So when I'm watching stuff, I tend to have to watch it and then like pause, Yeah. So I need to do something with, you know, it's low stakes. Yes. Something that I know.
00;27;41;17 - 00;27;42;02
Speaker 2
Yes.
00;27;42;02 - 00;28;01;06
Speaker 1
The ending to something like five minute increments, because even after they're in bed, are they really asleep? No, they're not. But but I'll say that some of the shows that I did, I recently finished watching, um, Harlem. I'm doing The Recruit.
00;28;01;20 - 00;28;02;17
Speaker 2
I love the recruit.
00;28;02;22 - 00;28;07;04
Speaker 1
And you did? Okay. So good. I think I and then my agent.
00;28;07;14 - 00;28;08;26
Speaker 2
And I just.
00;28;08;26 - 00;28;21;05
Speaker 1
Oh, the problem is I'm like, wait a minute, didn't this just happen? That happens. Who cares? Just completely confused. This is. I needed a week in between. Yes. Because right now I'm doing the night shift and I'm like, Wait, I thought he was dating the person in Korea.
00;28;21;05 - 00;28;22;05
Speaker 2
I feel like I'm I'm like.
00;28;22;05 - 00;28;23;05
Speaker 1
Wait, no, that's a different.
00;28;23;05 - 00;28;29;13
Speaker 2
Show. I know they are kind of a parallel storylines. So it's almost like, okay, yes, yes. That didn't happen in the show.
00;28;29;13 - 00;28;40;18
Speaker 1
It happened in the other. Right. Right. And because you're like, for me, low stakes like I mean, I've been in one episode of Night Asia for like three days. Yeah, let me do 5 minutes. And then, you know.
00;28;40;20 - 00;28;41;03
Speaker 2
I know.
00;28;41;07 - 00;28;43;26
Speaker 1
If they die. Okay, If they don't also. Yeah.
00;28;43;28 - 00;28;45;13
Speaker 2
Okay. Yeah, yeah.
00;28;45;18 - 00;28;46;02
Speaker 1
Yes.
00;28;46;05 - 00;28;48;11
Speaker 2
I have a problem staying awake, too. There's like.
00;28;48;22 - 00;28;51;16
Speaker 1
There's that.
00;28;51;16 - 00;28;53;19
Speaker 2
Is it just football? Are you a fan of other sport?
00;28;54;02 - 00;29;18;29
Speaker 1
Well, I, I do love basketball and I'll say that. Okay. This is gonna make me sound like so sad. In 2001. Yeah, it was the Eagles. I mean, the Eagles. It was a Sixers Lakers. Okay. And the NBA Finals. Game one, you know, we won game one. We lost the rest of the games. And like, I remember that, you know, feeling so hopeful and happy.
00;29;18;29 - 00;29;38;13
Speaker 1
And I remember hating Toronto Blue. I don't know if you remember that. I just look it up. I just remember that's back in the Iverson days that we lost. We lost and my heart was crushed. Everybody in Philly, you know, Philly fans are terrible but wonderful, right? And everybody in Philly was so sad. And I just said at that moment, I need to take a little bit of a break from from basketball.
00;29;38;13 - 00;29;41;09
Speaker 1
But I can't do sadness and multiple sports.
00;29;41;09 - 00;29;41;25
Speaker 2
Right, Right, right.
00;29;41;27 - 00;29;50;00
Speaker 1
This is just really affecting my life. Yeah. So I took a break from basketball, so I watch basketball now. I've done the guest coaching for the air. You mentioned.
00;29;50;24 - 00;29;51;17
Speaker 2
How it was.
00;29;51;17 - 00;30;08;23
Speaker 1
Great and I was like, you know, let me not be Philly. It's all, you know, right now. So let me be, you know, DeMar Now, in this moment, let me not bring back 2001. Yeah. And, and so I still love basketball but not I don't watch it like I did back then because I just needed one sport to.
00;30;08;23 - 00;30;11;16
Speaker 1
Yeah. Be sad about or Yeah yeah.
00;30;11;18 - 00;30;11;26
Speaker 2
Yes.
00;30;11;27 - 00;30;12;15
Speaker 1
Too much going.
00;30;12;29 - 00;30;15;08
Speaker 2
Really like takes a lot out of you.
00;30;15;23 - 00;30;19;15
Speaker 1
Yes. Yes. That was a bad feeling. It was a bad feeling. You know.
00;30;19;16 - 00;30;26;26
Speaker 2
I do want to hear a little bit more about how the guest coaching went with our basketball team was what did you get to do and how was that?
00;30;26;26 - 00;30;48;15
Speaker 1
Yeah. So Duane Simkins is the the coach. He's really wonderful. And then Kristi Plungers, Oh, who is one of the assistant deans, came with me. So every time it's something athletics, I'm like, Let's go. Kristi We're doing. Yeah. So we got there. We got to watch them warm up on the court. We got to go into the locker room for the pre-game speech during halftime.
00;30;48;15 - 00;31;03;25
Speaker 1
The post-game speech as well as like, get into every huddle. Yeah. So we were we were worn like, you know, we huddle a lot, you know, a lot of timeouts. You can go into any huddle. You want, you can sit and relax. Yeah. Kristi and I every huddle like y'all get. We're getting up to this like, Yeah, go team.
00;31;04;23 - 00;31;21;05
Speaker 1
And then they even invited us to eat after I was like, we have to go. Like, we've been here for hours. We've got an after dinner outfit, have the office. Yeah. And we had the Athletics Hall of Fame dinner. Wow. With our honoring, you know, our new athletes inducted into the Hall of Fame. And so it was really wonderful.
00;31;21;05 - 00;31;28;17
Speaker 1
So now I feel like I know them because I'm dreaming the crowd, and I'm like, okay, let's just condemn. Yeah, let's. You know.
00;31;29;01 - 00;31;29;23
Speaker 2
I feel really used.
00;31;29;24 - 00;31;35;07
Speaker 1
To the feelings of this guy. And and so but it was it was really quite fun this time.
00;31;35;11 - 00;31;37;25
Speaker 2
I know he's on to pictures of and I was like, that looks like a good time.
00;31;37;25 - 00;31;58;13
Speaker 1
It was it was courtside seats like you're right there with the team So fun. Yeah, they're the coaches. They are really inspirational. You know, they've got to, like, tell them not just, you know, fix what you're doing, but also to do it in a way where we'll be the players will be inspired. Yeah, I was yeah, I was very thrilled to be there.
00;31;58;28 - 00;32;02;27
Speaker 2
One last question here to wrap it up just on our sports talk, do you have a favorite sports movie?
00;32;03;06 - 00;32;12;18
Speaker 1
Well, okay, So, you know, Philly, I guess we've got to go Iraqi. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Does that tell you how old I am? Like the rocky steps. So Rocky one still.
00;32;12;18 - 00;32;13;02
Speaker 2
Holds.
00;32;13;24 - 00;32;21;14
Speaker 1
Our, you know, Rocky one through four. Yes, The new ones, you know, I know. Like Michael B Jordan is in. Yeah. Like everybody loves him. Yeah, but, you know.
00;32;21;20 - 00;32;21;24
Speaker 2
They're.
00;32;22;01 - 00;32;24;16
Speaker 1
The original. Yeah. Rocky, you a.
00;32;24;27 - 00;32;25;20
Speaker 2
There's something to it.
00;32;25;21 - 00;32;39;26
Speaker 1
There's something to it. Yeah. They're really, really. Yeah. Which is also why when another team who is in opposition of any Philly team. Yeah. They usually come to Philly and I'll put like their scarf or their hat or like the rocky statue in front of the art museum. And we know that if you do that, you're going to lose.
00;32;40;01 - 00;32;40;27
Speaker 1
It's like the curse.
00;32;41;02 - 00;32;42;06
Speaker 2
Really, on the pave.
00;32;42;07 - 00;32;57;27
Speaker 1
Yes, yes, yes. So you got a joke about that. So anyway, if you have not seen Rocky, which you should have, you should watch them all. I do binge watch it. Yes, Yes. One, two, three and four. And then you can just, you know, take a pause and watch them all over again another week. That's awesome.
00;32;58;05 - 00;33;06;21
Speaker 2
Well, thank you, Dean Martin. All this has been wonderful. Thank you for having. I hope everyone learned a fun factor, too. And we can't wait to see what you do at school.
00;33;07;10 - 00;33;14;19
Speaker 1
Thank you. I'm so honored to be here and to be with you and the rest of the SLC faculty and staff and of course, the students.
00;33;14;23 - 00;33;31;19
Speaker 2
Thank you so much. Look out for our next episode of In the Mix. If you'd like to donate to the School of Communication, go to giving dot Ҵý dot edu and we'll see you next time. That's a wrap.
Balancing Books, Work, and Life with Sarah Ailor and Marley Joseph
Join host Grace Ibrahim as she engages with Marley Joseph and Sarah Ailor, two proactive students from SOC. Discover how they weave their academic pursuits with vibrant city life in Washington D.C.
Marley shares his transition from New York to D.C., diving into his roles ranging from sports editor to social media strategist, exploring the city's rich cultural offerings. Sarah discusses the collaborative environment at AU, merging PR and Psychology in innovative ways.
This episode is perfect for anyone interested in the real-world application of media studies, collaborative education, and the enriching experiences outside traditional classrooms. Tune in to hear how SOC students are preparing to lead in the communication landscape.
Transcription
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Marley Joseph
There's so many things you could do in DC. Definitely. You can't really be bored in DC. Like if you're bored, take the Metro and go to museum if you're bored or just like, even feel like last year I said, I'm going to give you all. I'll just go on random walks along like parts. DC Kind of explore the areas.
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Sarah Ailor
It was like interesting to see how like it wasn't just like a typical, like you go in, you closed yourself in your office and then like you leave at the end of the day, like everything's so, like collaborative and like working together and you guys get together so much.
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Grace Ibrahim
Welcome to Media The Mix, the only podcast produced and hosted by the School of Communication at Ҵý. Join us as we create a safe space to explore topics and communication at the intersection of social justice, tech, innovation and pop culture. Welcome back to Media in the Mix. I'm your host, Grace Ibrahim. And today we have another student episode.
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Grace Ibrahim
Two students, I guess I know really well at this point because they've been so involved in our office and just around events that we've done. Sarah and Marlee, welcome to the podcast.
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Marley Jospeh
Thank you for having me.
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Grace Ibrahim
Thanks for being here. Okay. So let's just start with just a quick introduction, and this can be just things you're involved in on campus or what your job is on campus. And then also just like let everyone know how you got to D.C. and why was it kind of you as the choice. So, Mari, we'll start with you.
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Grace Ibrahim
Okay.
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Marley Jospeh
So I'm Marlee Joseph, a sophomore from New York, studying broadcast journalism for minor marketing. I guess some things and keep started doing so for associates. Typically on the sports editor for the Black Print, which is a publication on campus. But then outside of SLC, I'm also I do social media and then planning for Tuesday on the campus by the border, which is kind of a thing for mentorship on campus for black and Hispanic students.
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Marley Jospeh
And then also I do social media for the ACP chapter on Ҵý as I do.
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Grace Ibrahim
It's amazing. And then what brought you to D.C.?
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Marley Jospeh
I mean, so kind of crazy. I'm from New York. I went to high school out in California and went to boarding school, and I was like, I want to find somewhere with kind of a good blend of the two places. And then also, I really want to be the city. I cannot be the middle of nowhere again for another four years.
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Marley Jospeh
I feel so kind of in D.C. I love D.C. of being that city. Life also specifically like it's kind of a great match for me. I feel like kind of balance all my interests and also kind of get to quarter city and enjoy city life as well while being on a campus.
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Grace Ibrahim
That's awesome. I went to boarding school too, so it was like a really interesting experience, like sort of college because in a way, like I felt like I was a little bit prepared. You know, if you look.
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Marley Jospeh
A little ready for you feel like you kind of have your bearings and then kind of go be away from home for the first time.
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Grace Ibrahim
You do your laundry already. So I was like, Alright, that's one thing I can check off the list. All right. Sarah, what about you?
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Sarah Ailor
I'm a senior. I'm studying PR and I'm also studying psychology, which I actually just finished this semester and then graduated for PR. I get to do digital communications with Veronica in our office, which is so fun for her. And then I'm also involved in this as a peer advisor, and I'm also in the psychology club here.
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Grace Ibrahim
Wow. What goes on in a psychology club?
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Sarah Ailor
We just do like different events. It's not anything necessarily psychology related, like we do academic events. Like sometimes we have professors talk about different like subjects. Okay, But like this weekend we're going on a hike to black coffee in the Palisades.
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Grace Ibrahim
So fun. Yeah. Oh, that's good. It's like a mental health club. I love that it is like that.
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Sarah Ailor
So it's really fun.
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Grace Ibrahim
Yeah. And then what brought you to D.C.? Why was it AEW?
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Sarah Ailor
Well, so I'm from like, outside of Richmond, so I always come up to D.C., like with my mom and we'd like to around. I love to see all the buildings because I'm from like middle of nowhere in Virginia. Okay? And when I came here, I wanted to do poli sci. So originally I was poli sci and then I was like, This is really interesting.
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Sarah Ailor
But like, I don't know if I want to do this forever. So I switch to Psych and I got on PR and, you know, like plays I hear is like, so popular.
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Grace Ibrahim
Yes.
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Sarah Ailor
So that's yeah, a good school for me, but also good for psych and PR too. So I love being able to like take classes outside of SC because I feel like specifically for me with Psych, like there's so many things that overlap with PR or communication in general that like it'll be like similar, like sort of theories. Like even in my social psychology class, my sophomore year, we talked a lot about like how people perceive things and like how to persuade people to do things and like PR, you're like getting messaging across and like you got to know how to get a message different people.
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Sarah Ailor
So I really like how like there is overlap in my classes, even though they're in different schools.
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Grace Ibrahim
Okay, I love that. Yeah, that's great.
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Marley Jospeh
And then for me and my minor marketing, I'm kind of new into it. I do my thing, my first marketing class right now, but I feel like even with that, like you kind of see similarities, like, oh, marketing is kind of focused on like advertising and kind of branding yourself or branding a different company, which if you like, for one, like food journalism, kind of brand yourself in a way.
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Marley Jospeh
So I feel like I kind of keep some of that the brand myself as a like a journalist or stuff like that in general, but also kind of is I feel like it's really good to kind of have a broad based kind of concept. Everything I feel like with me major minoring to hold off in school, I kind of go see like a new school environment kind of experience that kind of different, like different arsenal of materials.
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Marley Jospeh
I feel like for marketing, it's a lot more like kind of different way to kind of like think you think differently. Marketing or journalism. I'm thinking like associate commenting about, okay, I tried to article and finally people like an interview kind of set it up. So for me, I think it's more like, okay, I'm in a group project with the market.
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Marley Jospeh
This company, how was the company? How they kind of want to present myself or how would I want to kind of figure out what ways we can produce to most, like monetize? I felt this kind of is the way to kind of expand your horizon. But think about like the same thing, the different way.
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Grace Ibrahim
Thought Yeah, I feel like whenever at least thinking on my experience after my master's, like my minor came up a lot, which is really cool because I don't know why I had thought of like, I guess it's just a minor, you know? But it did come up a lot in like job interviews and like the correlation between, like psychology, communications and this.
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Grace Ibrahim
Not like it was really interesting. So I definitely started to like, lean into it more and more, which is really cool.
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Sarah Ailor
I think also like for like even like in the classroom, I remember in like my PR writing class, we would make different like, like press releases and like one of them was like a social media or press release or it was like a bunch of different graphics. And there was a girl in our class who was minoring in graphic design, so she, like, was able to add to like everyone's assignments and was like, you know, this like, should be here instead of here because of whatever graphic design role and like, it made her look better.
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Sarah Ailor
So it's awesome. I think it makes like the classroom a lot more like fun because everyone has their own like individual, like little thing outside of the major. Yeah.
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Grace Ibrahim
So it's like huge collaboration efforts and.
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Marley Jospeh
Also associate feel like associate kind of tight knit community, you know, like I have class a lot of thing. People have other classes with. I feel like being in new school it's to see new faces, meeting people, build more connection and stuff like that. So see kind of people have class because I see them like my class last year or last semester.
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Marley Jospeh
But being in this, I'm in Colgate for my minor kind of get to meet a whole group of people and you professors kind of build new relationships and like kind of really see different side of campus. I don't get to see that often.
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Grace Ibrahim
Associate I do have a question about basically kind of just your respective activities that you do on campus clubs you're involved in, whatever it may be. Can you like speak to just the real world experience that you're already gaining from these jobs and kind of like the the people you're interacting with, the things you're involved in, the events like how does that kind of set you up for what comes after graduation?
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Marley Jospeh
I mean, I guess I guess I look for meters on clubs and doing stuff like that, even as I see, like events, all panels kind of learning how to network, kind of be like, show who you are. I feel like Veronica is my mentor. Last year, stuff like that, I writes a lot of events. It's kind of just the, Oh, this event.
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Marley Jospeh
I have no idea what it is, but we figure out what the event is, are who I need to know, figure out like why I should wear for the event. But it's casual. If it's formal, figure out how to present myself to make sure people like, understand like I'm a freshman at the time of my sophomore year, but I'm still like, have idea what's happening.
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Marley Jospeh
Really want to show faces like that. I think that even like clubs and stuff is is making sure you one in the room recognize or just have an idea of like okay maybe younger to have when I was here but I still like kind of know my grounding and know where I need to be here for.
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Grace Ibrahim
Yeah you still care. That's, that's important. And you just brought up a really good point about like self branding and just kind of how you can already start to brand yourself prior to graduation, which is so important. Sarah, what about you?
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Sarah Ailor
I totally agree with like all of what you said, but also for me, like I know working in both like the Sears Office and also and like as I see offices, like it's nice to see how like a team can work professionally, like towards, like a goal, like, and like PR is I work with like two other students there, but I used to work in like the front office and it was like interesting to see how like it wasn't just like a typical like you go in, you closed yourself in your office and then like you leave at the end of the day, like everything.
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Sarah Ailor
So, like collaborative and like working together and you guys work together so much like, you mean even in here right now, like everyone, like, and each section is like, here. So that's really cool to see. And also, just like I get to explore different things that I'm interested in. Yeah, like for peer advising, like with the psychology, like there is stuff where it's like communication that I learn and also in PR, like that's a part of that too.
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Sarah Ailor
So yeah, it's really interesting.
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Grace Ibrahim
That's awesome. Well, good for both of you. That's like just really good takeaways from the things you're involved in that it really set you up. And just on the topic of like what you each do, I do have a fun question for each of you. So Sarah, going to start with you because you were just on the topic of PR, so, um, do you have like any, if there's like a client you'd love to work for if you have any like dream collaborations or like a dream campaign you'd love to do if it pertains to DC or not.
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Sarah Ailor
Okay, so I love Chapel Room.
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Grace Ibrahim
Oh.
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Sarah Ailor
And I don't know if you guys have seen, but like, she doesn't like being famous. Yes. Yeah. They get her complaints. Yeah, I think she's totally right. Like her at the Grammys, pointing out that photographer like I remember you. You were mean to me.
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Grace Ibrahim
Like, Yeah.
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Sarah Ailor
I think that's great. I do think, though, that like, if she had a PR person. Mm. People would respond to her complaints. Interesting. I don't know if I have a specific like campaign for her. Yeah. Just like she's right.
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Grace Ibrahim
Yeah.
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Sarah Ailor
But maybe if I'd love to, like, work with her.
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Grace Ibrahim
Yeah, with her. It's all about the messaging, right?
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Sarah Ailor
It's all about the messaging.
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Grace Ibrahim
Yeah, it's how you say it.
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Marley Jospeh
And I've only seen her for, like, her going awful lady.
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Sarah Ailor
Yes, yes, yes.
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Marley Jospeh
Oh, I heard one of her songs. Yeah. I've only really seen her. Just kind of like.
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Grace Ibrahim
Yeah.
00;10;36;14 - 00;10;39;14
Marley Jospeh
Kind of like defending yourself against, like, the photographers. Like.
00;10;39;17 - 00;10;55;17
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah, I bet you have heard one of her songs. You just don't know it. I've probably true. Yeah. Because, like, I didn't realize that either. I was like, Oh, yeah, that's cool. But you know what? She has such strong opinions. She does true point. It's like what she's saying is valid, but sometimes it's about how you kind of message that it's people.
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Sarah Ailor
Oh yeah, she's great too for like the gay community because like, yeah, at her shows she'll bring in like before she'll bring in like drag queens who, like, open up her. Yeah, I think it's so cool. Yeah. So like and they're like local for each like venue. Right. So I think that oh.
00;11;08;29 - 00;11;27;04
Grace Ibrahim
That is really cool. I get a lot of good stuff going on, giving everyone opportunity and I love that. Okay, Marley, so fun question for you. Is there like a dream story you'd like to cover or is like there a dream place you want to be published in the future? Like, what's that all about? Let us know.
00;11;27;04 - 00;11;42;22
Marley Jospeh
I mean, I guess like even I was growing up, I didn't like I used to hate writing, Like I used to, like, despise writing, really. But I realized that this point that I can't be science, I can't be mad. So I'm writing about only way out to like. But I feel like even younger, I always like I watched over time or complex.
00;11;42;22 - 00;11;53;07
Marley Jospeh
I feel like for me to be like something's telling play that was like, oh, I'm like, oh, always have a Puerto complex do like interview of a celebrity that I really love or like. Yeah, kind of combining like music in sports, like a sports team I really.
00;11;53;07 - 00;12;07;10
Grace Ibrahim
Love I was going to say or an athlete or something there. Yeah that's awesome. Actually a follow up there. So like, have you just always been interested in sports? Like, I know you said you don't really like writing, but is it when you're writing about sports, like it feels a little different, something you enjoy?
00;12;07;15 - 00;12;28;09
Marley Jospeh
I've grown to love writing, like, yeah, I mean, like writing something that I was like, funny story. I was terrible at it. Like in high school, like, yeah, freshman year of high school. My idea to, like, make like, the teacher forced me to say, what about the class, work my writing assignments cause they were just terrible. Yeah. So, like, I just grown to, like, kind of enjoy writing more, but I think for me, like, I grew up in, like, my family's really big on sports.
00;12;28;09 - 00;12;41;25
Marley Jospeh
A music student, very passionate about stuff. I always kind of grew up in that room, so I feel like at first I was like, Oh, I only care about sports. Like all I'm doing is writing about sports, about sports editor for a black friend, like, Oh, I'm writing about sports. But like over time, I've grown to like writing about other things too.
00;12;41;25 - 00;12;54;03
Marley Jospeh
Like my class is writing about politics. So it's like, okay, that's an adjustment, but we're used to it now. I worry a little more, so I feel like it's writing something and kind of always been like, not always, but like after I got to a certain part of high school, I was like, I can do writing. Like I enjoy it.
00;12;54;16 - 00;12;56;21
Marley Jospeh
And like, I'm also opinionated, so like, it helps out perfectly.
00;12;56;28 - 00;13;14;22
Grace Ibrahim
Love that OC falls in line. Yeah, that's awesome. That's great. I do want to talk about kind of SC and the majors that you both are in and of course like switching I, I was the same. I switch from like math to psychology to as of see and then I got a psych minor. So it's just so fun to like kind of see your path and then see where you end up.
00;13;15;01 - 00;13;29;19
Grace Ibrahim
You still have some time to see where you end up. So it's like it's I love the two different positions were at here, but I know both of you have already gained like substantial experience. So do you have any advice for like the freshmen coming in that are going to be an associate? Just anything there that you can speak on?
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Sarah Ailor
I think that like just like talking to your professors and I feel like I always hear that and I always heard that. But like, there's so much that you can, like, learn from them. And like, even looking back, like, I wish that I talked to, like, different professors, more like I have relationships with a few my professors that I've had here.
00;13;48;05 - 00;14;05;28
Sarah Ailor
But like, there's so many professors that have had who I thought were great, but like, maybe after class I had to run to another class. I don't have time to like, go up and talk to them afterwards, but like their office hours are there, right? So I think just like talking to professors because they have different opportunities like the job that I have right now.
00;14;05;28 - 00;14;12;10
Sarah Ailor
And so, see, I got because Professor Talon like emailed me like, Oh, are you interested in this? And I was like, Yes, I am.
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Grace Ibrahim
Yeah.
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Sarah Ailor
So I think it's just like they look out for you. If you like, tell them you're interested in different things.
00;14;18;22 - 00;14;21;27
Grace Ibrahim
That's awesome. And then, Marlee, what about you? Any advice?
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Marley Jospeh
I was going to say the same thing. I'll pick a different piece of advice. Honestly. Yeah. I just say like if in SLC you have a lot of resources that I think kind of go under the radar. Like even for me, like, I think that I would say in the time, if I ever want to mentor, a lot of things have gone under-the-radar like I don't even email too often, not going like I do now because I mean.
00;14;39;26 - 00;14;41;12
Grace Ibrahim
You're busy, you know, fine like.
00;14;41;15 - 00;14;56;29
Marley Jospeh
And I just think that kind of reading your emails, which I hypothetically you said before, but also just kind of I think you think you might be interested in just take the chance and like try honestly for like associate also just D.C. in general, like a lot of things you could try to do for like, oh, like I saw this thing online.
00;14;57;04 - 00;15;14;19
Marley Jospeh
It might be cool. I know these goals too. Or like they just panel. I always apply. I want to go to you, but I don't want to have to like get dressed up and like sit for an hour and a half. Just go to the panel, even bring it back. I feel like it's being that it's being albino, different things kind of expose you to a lot that you wouldn't really get committed College experience more worth if you try everything you can.
00;15;14;24 - 00;15;29;15
Grace Ibrahim
That's awesome. Good. Two great pieces of advice. Yeah, that's like actually a piece of advice I got recently, which is just get into the room because you never know who's going to be in the room. So it's just like, Yeah, just go to these. I've seen you at a lot of events, so I think you're definitely following your own advice, which is awesome.
00;15;29;15 - 00;15;49;01
Grace Ibrahim
Really. Just talking about like the specifics to the majors that you're in. So whether that be like journalism, PR, whatever that may be, do you have any advice there, like favorite class that you talk or a favorite professor or just something experiential learning, anything that you are a part of that maybe someone should try if they were to choose to come to?
00;15;49;01 - 00;16;20;24
Sarah Ailor
SC I think like, okay, well favorite like class or professor and like this goes back to like, like the basics and like all comm majors have to take this class, but like, com 100 like understanding media with Professor Tolle in that class like I don't think I valued it enough when I was in like it was so fun and what was so great about it was like it was like we covered like every single, like form of, like media because like for PR, it's like, it's mainly like focusing on like current events.
00;16;20;24 - 00;16;43;29
Sarah Ailor
How are people responding to different things? Like what are like PR professionals doing, which of course I'm interested in and I love, but like I also love other like types of like communication. And so we would cover everything. And like our final project for that class was like this. We were like promoting like a franchise and like my group did The Hunger Games and it was so much fun because like our town encouraged us to just be like, as creative as possible.
00;16;44;09 - 00;17;01;13
Sarah Ailor
And like when we started, like we had one person in our group up on like the stage, like in the, like theater and caught out each of our names, like in the Reaping, like, you know, in The Hunger Games or they like, like calling us also, We US all. And then at the end we called Professor Talon and like you love that.
00;17;01;19 - 00;17;06;14
Sarah Ailor
You love that. So I think like that cause was just like, so, so fun.
00;17;06;14 - 00;17;24;00
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah, that's awesome. I just guest lectured that class the other day and they were doing that project. So there was like the Shrek franchise and someone was doing Pirates of the Caribbean, which I was like, Oh God, that's such a throwback. Like, it's so fun to see everyone have fun. And it's like big groups too. I don't know if that was the same for your class, but they were like, Oh my.
00;17;24;00 - 00;17;24;29
Sarah Ailor
Gosh, it was eight.
00;17;24;29 - 00;17;25;12
Grace Ibrahim
People.
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Sarah Ailor
Ten people.
00;17;26;12 - 00;17;27;15
Grace Ibrahim
And I go, Okay.
00;17;27;20 - 00;17;30;08
Sarah Ailor
And like, coordinating with ten people, like is impossible.
00;17;30;08 - 00;17;42;17
Grace Ibrahim
So you learn a lot learning. You learn out. Yeah, I know. Because usually anything you go to that's a collaboration has a lot of people and it's like getting everyone in adulthood to coordinate a time is wild. Yeah. Marley What.
00;17;42;17 - 00;17;56;00
Marley Jospeh
About funny? Cause I remember I had a class first met there and I despised they while in it looking back and I'm like, I should have taken a class. Like when we were 60. I was like, I should have valued that class more. I feel like a lot of stuff that we learned in that class. Well, he takes you all the way through.
00;17;56;06 - 00;18;16;19
Marley Jospeh
Like, I would hate the readings. Hey, having to go for a lecture, but I feel like this is how life works. And then the bigger project, I was like, Why am I with eight people in a group project? But really how life works? I realize. I know. Yeah, that's kind of normal. I feel like for me, a rookie professor room search of all that class was so fun, you know, is a blog class and was like a night.
00;18;17;05 - 00;18;40;05
Marley Jospeh
It's interesting but my classes he does a great professor for one like he makes classified he makes data science which most people don't enjoy. Really funny, interesting stuff like that. But I feel like also my reporting class this semester, even though I'm like, it's labor politics, which is not my biggest forte by field, just kind of experience you get from going out reporting and just having to like get people to be like, Oh no, you could trust me.
00;18;40;05 - 00;18;48;10
Marley Jospeh
Like I'm not going to like, quote you incorrectly. So like that something that's really impactful on my profession, but also just like in general, like building, like connection to people, something I really take from the class.
00;18;48;16 - 00;19;03;25
Grace Ibrahim
That all sounds like so much fun to is there. Like, I know sometimes it's really obvious to the skills you pick up and you're like, I did this job because I wanted to get that skill. But has there been any, like, unexpected skills you've picked up from like your Malden on campus or jobs that you do or whatever it may be?
00;19;04;18 - 00;19;38;24
Sarah Ailor
I think for me, I kind of have two answers and they kind of go hand in hand. But I so doing the digital communication job when I first started and like I'd make the graphics or the Instagram, like captions, like captions for LinkedIn, whatever, I wasn't focused as much on like the branding aspect of it. And so Veronica would always very politely, very kindly be like, Oh, like I'm going to add like the little picture of SC in the background of like the photo and like, you know, like make the transparency go down.
00;19;38;24 - 00;19;58;16
Sarah Ailor
Like just so it's like very subtle, like this is also see and like logos and like, I think that for me was just like, oh my gosh, like this is so simple, but it makes it look so professional. So like, I think that's something that like I kind of like became more aware of like the sort of, like branding doesn't have to be like super complex anything.
00;19;58;16 - 00;20;12;23
Sarah Ailor
Yeah, literally just be a photo of associate that someone took like in the background, like transparency. So I think that and like that's something that I definitely didn't think was something that like I needed to learn or need. It's like building, right? But it was.
00;20;12;23 - 00;20;14;03
Grace Ibrahim
There. That's awesome. Okay.
00;20;14;13 - 00;20;27;09
Marley Jospeh
I would say, yeah, I wouldn't say the same thing up in like, Well, I'll say two things because that's great. First thing, Canva I did not think only Canva ever in my life. Like, honestly, in high school I voted out all cause I did yearbook. I still avoided it, which I don't know how.
00;20;27;10 - 00;20;29;12
Grace Ibrahim
That's impressive, but yeah.
00;20;29;19 - 00;20;53;27
Marley Jospeh
But I feel like now Campbell is, like, really intuitive. Have to get used to it. And I feel like especially like, these. Like, of social media as well as like, See? Yeah. Canva Something that is really helpful because it kind of like it can make a really nice poster on fire in 15 minutes. But I say, second thing is I feel like honestly, as I see kind of about dressing for the occasion, like it's not cool, but we get the words for every single class or either like with professional attire.
00;20;54;04 - 00;21;06;02
Marley Jospeh
I feel like even that. So, see, sometimes you got to like, figure out, okay, I'm going to a panel event, I'm going to like a speaker event, or even going to class. I'm doing plantation. Maybe I should, in worse, wear pants in a hoodie that day. Right? So I'm just like kind of freaking out, like kind of dressing to the occasion.
00;21;06;02 - 00;21;09;08
Marley Jospeh
Something I learned a lot, which I didn't think I would have to pick up on it. Yeah, I in college.
00;21;09;08 - 00;21;17;22
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah. You have a great fashion sense too. Honestly, every time we see Marlee or, like, it's just so you just kill it. Yeah, that's all I.
00;21;17;24 - 00;21;30;23
Sarah Ailor
I want to echo Canva. Canva is like my Bible at this point. I love it. And I actually just recently found out that you can make a website on canvas. Yes, you can make a website. Yeah. Yes. I found this out the other day, so I will be.
00;21;30;23 - 00;21;38;24
Grace Ibrahim
Doing the bios. Yes, there's a lot of templates on there that's always very beneficial. My first ever like elevated website was on Kalpa.
00;21;39;06 - 00;21;40;08
Sarah Ailor
So I need to do this.
00;21;40;20 - 00;21;41;07
Marley Jospeh
To do that. Yeah.
00;21;41;07 - 00;21;58;08
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah. It's really helpful and it's like it's all free. And obviously there's some things that, you know, if you want to go that other step you have to pay for, but for the most part, for what they do offer that's free is really, really helpful. I always say Canva is the best way to learn, so God bless Canva.
00;21;58;08 - 00;22;23;18
Grace Ibrahim
Okay. And then another thing I guess we've talked so much about all that you have going on. Any advice to students in terms of just like student life balance and just kind of how you even if you're not the best value, it's like guilty as charged. But is there anything that you tell yourself or just try to keep in mind to kind of make sure that at least at some points, you're balancing?
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Grace Ibrahim
Well.
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Marley Jospeh
I mean, I've, like relies on things that are kind of natural to me. So I feel like I didn't happen. So college sometimes I do need a good nap. So I, like, make sure that I have time for that.
00;22;34;20 - 00;22;35;04
Grace Ibrahim
What's that?
00;22;35;06 - 00;22;53;15
Marley Jospeh
Yeah, my Google calendar out. So, like, I know. Okay, this event, I haven't matched all time like, so, so much time today I feel like yeah if you like if you don't only kind of have a baseline what you're doing for the day, you feel really overwhelming. If you have like a kind of simple like, okay, I've clients until like 345 and then I like an event for a club at seven kind of slow.
00;22;53;15 - 00;23;08;29
Marley Jospeh
Okay. After the hours and day where I could just kind of relax, do nothing. Yeah, that's like that. Also, please value your sleep. Like it can at least get enough sleep. Even if you're stressed out a lot to work. It won't be good quality if you don't sleep so way. Sometimes you have to be like, okay, I have a lot of work due tomorrow.
00;23;08;29 - 00;23;14;03
Marley Jospeh
I'll work for you in two days, but I still need to get my rest so I can produce the best quality work. So getting that sleep is also really important.
00;23;14;06 - 00;23;30;03
Grace Ibrahim
That's such an important thing because you're right, It's like the more you stay awake, the more the productivity just goes down. You. It's like, yeah, you got to recharge, you got to recharge. And then I like what you said, just like plan your day, just like a very simple plan. But that really does help sometimes for being overwhelmed.
00;23;30;05 - 00;23;31;15
Grace Ibrahim
Yeah. Sarah, what about you?
00;23;31;15 - 00;23;50;25
Sarah Ailor
I think, like specifically this week, I've been looking ahead at, like, my finals and Monday I was just like, Oh my gosh. Like, I am never going to get all of this stuff done. Yeah, but like, then I made like, a day by day, like, just for this week, like, I need to get this done on Monday. That's done on Tuesday, like a little bit of this on Wednesday sort of thing.
00;23;51;04 - 00;24;15;24
Sarah Ailor
And that really helps me like just to kind of like visualize like this is my week. Like this is when these things are due. Like this is the most pressing thing. Like just really writing everything down helps me, but I feel like managing my time, like to have like a very, like full time. I try and do like and I'm not always successful at this, but I try and do like, like a 9 to 5 almost with work.
00;24;15;24 - 00;24;31;22
Sarah Ailor
So like if I have class, like after class, like, obviously like I'll go eat or something, but like, I like, do homework as well. So that way, like at $0.05 I'm like, I'm done with my day. That's great. All right. Try not to like, do homework unless it's like, obviously pressing or like a group project. Yeah, sort of thing.
00;24;31;22 - 00;24;33;26
Sarah Ailor
That's awesome. So I try and do that.
00;24;33;26 - 00;24;35;00
Marley Jospeh
That's great. I need to try that.
00;24;35;00 - 00;24;35;27
Grace Ibrahim
I know that's.
00;24;35;27 - 00;24;46;09
Marley Jospeh
Kinda obviously, like, I have no clue. Like I made sure to see I know kind of for 11:20 p.m. 20 a.m., I'm like, Oh, sleep in. I have an 8 a.m. so I work for the next 6 p.m..
00;24;46;09 - 00;25;04;09
Grace Ibrahim
But for like and that's like, okay, because I feel like two you two are at different points in your life where like that is totally acceptable and then I also see how you're like, Well, I kind of want to get used to a little bit of like, what, life after graduation that I should be like, right? So, like, it really is like it's you both are balancing your own way and that's important.
00;25;04;09 - 00;25;10;03
Sarah Ailor
Well, my sophomore year when I was in MacDowell, like, I was going back after class and I was thinking, that's like hour long that. So I think.
00;25;10;03 - 00;25;10;15
Grace Ibrahim
You're.
00;25;10;17 - 00;25;11;18
Sarah Ailor
You're in a good spot.
00;25;11;18 - 00;25;28;25
Grace Ibrahim
Are so important. I just feel like when I take a nap, I wake up on another planet and it's like 7 hours later and I'm like, Well, I just slept for the day, so that's good. That's great. And then I kind of want to wrap up just a little bit, talking about kind of what's next. Marlee, I'll start with you as there anything like you're looking forward to doing.
00;25;28;25 - 00;25;34;05
Grace Ibrahim
Is there anything you haven't done that you would like to do or something you want to dip your toes into?
00;25;34;05 - 00;25;52;28
Marley Jospeh
I mean, I feel like it's always been my dream in mind. I feel like I always want to kind of like cover like a game or a team. I feel like I got out cause I do. Most of I do is more just like research base or like longform articles. I feel like I don't know why I've always wanted to, like, kind of follow like, you know, the basketball team around and like, do that kind of stuff.
00;25;52;28 - 00;26;04;06
Marley Jospeh
Or just like, honestly, any team I came with, I feel like I Yeah, no, not for most sports. I kind of hold my own stuff like, yeah, whether it be just for like a season or like, be like for a few weeks. It's covering a team. Let me follow them around. It would be fun.
00;26;04;10 - 00;26;06;10
Grace Ibrahim
Do you have a favorite sport? Just out of curiosity.
00;26;06;27 - 00;26;10;00
Marley Jospeh
I love playing baseball, but I love watching basketball more.
00;26;10;00 - 00;26;19;01
Grace Ibrahim
Nice. Okay, that's awesome. I am basketball fan too. Yeah, but my brother grew up playing baseball a lot, so I was always watching baseball. That's fun. Okay, Sarah, what about you?
00;26;19;04 - 00;26;36;28
Sarah Ailor
Well, I'm graduating in the spring, so I want to do like, I want to enjoy the rest of my time here. Yeah. And not think too much about life after graduation. Yeah. As for, like, when I graduate and, like, a job, I feel like I have so many different interests that, like, there's so many different, like, paths that I could take.
00;26;36;28 - 00;26;56;00
Sarah Ailor
Yeah, it's, I think really, like, I want to focus on applying to different places that, like, maybe aren't on the same field. Like I'm interested in like event planning, but I'm also interested in like data analytics. So like, I don't know what exactly, yeah, which path I'm going to do, but maybe I'll apply to both jobs because, you know, getting a job is not easy.
00;26;56;00 - 00;26;57;29
Sarah Ailor
Yeah, so I think it's good too.
00;26;58;11 - 00;26;58;25
Grace Ibrahim
You know, it's all.
00;26;58;25 - 00;26;59;28
Sarah Ailor
Trying do any of those things.
00;26;59;28 - 00;27;09;06
Grace Ibrahim
And are you just out of curiosity too? And the answer can totally be, No, I'm not. Are you doing anything to kind of like prep for graduation, any, like resume work or.
00;27;09;18 - 00;27;16;20
Sarah Ailor
Well, so my concern right now for like, I'm in it and we're actually like doing like resume and like career stuff.
00;27;16;21 - 00;27;18;00
Grace Ibrahim
So perfect.
00;27;18;09 - 00;27;31;19
Sarah Ailor
One of our like assignments has been like, find a job that you want to apply to and come up with like ten interview questions that you would ask the interviewer. And then I think in class, at some point we're going to be like asking each other interview questions. Yeah, so that's really great prep for me.
00;27;31;19 - 00;27;32;13
Grace Ibrahim
That's awesome.
00;27;32;14 - 00;27;48;11
Sarah Ailor
Um, but as of right now, I've like there been jobs on handshake, which again, like that's something I wish I took advantage of sooner. Yeah. While I was here but like jobs on handshake that are applying like for asking for May 2025 grads Oh okay so like I've been like, trying to.
00;27;48;11 - 00;27;48;20
Grace Ibrahim
Start.
00;27;48;20 - 00;27;50;15
Sarah Ailor
Applying to this. That's awesome.
00;27;50;15 - 00;27;52;24
Grace Ibrahim
And you, you said you do like peer advising.
00;27;52;24 - 00;27;54;01
Sarah Ailor
For I knew you.
00;27;54;01 - 00;27;56;27
Grace Ibrahim
Okay. So that must help to write like it does help.
00;27;56;28 - 00;28;03;22
Sarah Ailor
Yeah. I mean, like, not everyone, like, will come in asking for, like, advice on the cover letter, but that's how quickly my.
00;28;03;24 - 00;28;23;25
Grace Ibrahim
Friend likes our sales. That's awesome. How has it been just being in D.C. for school? You know, obviously this year we had a huge, huge election and, you know, things are happening outside of campus. Just how has it been kind of being in the nation's capital? So I do love to talk about this idea of being in D.C. just outside of AEW.
00;28;24;01 - 00;28;25;14
Grace Ibrahim
So if there's anything you can speak.
00;28;26;11 - 00;29;00;06
Sarah Ailor
I think what's so great about D.C. is that there's so many, like free opportunities. It's like, I love the zoo and I'll be going back in January when the pandas are there. I will be there like I love all the museums and I think like just being in D.C., there's so many events that happen. Like I went to the Paris rally like two weeks ago and it was so amazing and like, there's such great energy there and it's so cool to see like huge events happen and like, there's so many people that just come, like.
00;29;00;14 - 00;29;19;00
Marley Jospeh
All together. That's awesome. Honestly, I love D.C., but I don't know, I didn't. But I knew like I enjoy D.C. My parents who are in the U.S., when I came, as I can tell you, but I didn't realize kind of how much I love after. Like for one, it's like he's he's not a college town, but also some of the universities and area, like I mentioned.
00;29;19;00 - 00;29;35;08
Marley Jospeh
So from everything, I am going to see if it's going to be the area in general. Yeah, okay. I just make they're also looking for so many things you can do. You see envelopes, you can't really be boarding If you board take the metro. I'm going to see him right before it looks like. Like last year.
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I was going in Wall Street. I feel like the.
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Marley Jospeh
Inner city, like you feel decent, much everything else. But you must be like.
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I was going to give you that. But there was like a budget. So like anything I mean, my sister last year and I was like, wow, what?
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Grace Ibrahim
You know, it was the first time I've seen the neighborhood. So it is true. Like there's some little pockets in there that are so fun to explore.
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Marley and Sarah, Thank you so much
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Grace Ibrahim
Much for being here today. You really had really had fun having you both on. You guys both dropped some very valuable knowledge, so I hope everyone is listening to notes. And if you would like to donate to the School of Communication, go to giving Ҵýs. IDU But first day, that's a wrap. Thank you.
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